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House | April 2, 2015 | Chamber | Justice and Public Safety

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And he's being held captive in rules so we're going to go ahead and get started. So I call the meeting to order we have this morning, with our house pages, we have Jarret Thomas you heard over here and Jurors from Camel in county and who's your sponsor? Representative Zouka. Zouka great and get the mic there and tell us a little bit about yourself. I film Cumberland County and I'm just glad to be here and that's pretty much it. You enjoyed your time here? Yes sir. Good made some new friends here. Yep. Good and this young lady here I'm proud to be her sponsor, she is from Davidson county but she couldn't find any body over there, so she calls over and yield for and that went running, we don't tell him that. Matty tells a little bit about you. Matty my name is Mandy Dayson and I'm a [xx] and happy to be here. Well it's glad to have both of you here, thank you very much. Sergeant at Arms is going to Berry Moore. Berry just gave me some good news. Do you mind if I share that Berry? NO. It was your grandson you say grandson and accepted in MIT. Good, I'm sure proud, I'm sure proud of you. His grandmother VH Pauul[sp?] and David Linthacam[sp?]. Thank you very much. OK. We'll, are there any other new remarks, Chairman Harley? okay. Do you remember having opened to your [xx] anytime? If not we'll get started and Lisa, is going to be with us this morning, on community corrections and justice re-investments. The floor is yours Lisa. Thank you Mr Chair. Please bear with me, my voice is a little rough. I either have allergies, or possibly the plague [xx] I'm pleased to be here to speak to you today about community corrections. You have a question you raise your hand. So briefly we're going to overview the budget for this area, we're going to talk about two significant pieces of legislation led of influence, decision making and our budget drivers in this area as well but such as sentencing act of 1994 and justice reinvestment 2011. We'll discuss what justice reinvestment meant for the changing role of probation officers in North Carolina, and how that influencing case management, and then we'll talk about some of the programs available to probationers, and the way that some of the funds from prison courses have been reinvested and the results that has had so far. This slide should look familiar by now. This is the base budget for the entire PACJJ this is the community correction slide for that budget if you can see and as to this in every budget area to my personal services largely, and this is the average daily cost of prison Vs community corrections, and I'll define what community corrections is on the next slide and know what I mean when I'm talking about that. Here you can see that there is a rather large disparity between these two cops. So community correction is probation, parole and post-release supervision. The Parole and Post-Release Supervision Commission, Community Supervision Programs, and two new centers that you all may remember from last year's budget, the confinement and response to violation center, in Brooke and Robinson County. So, probation parole and post-release supervision are all slightly different. Probation is a period of court orders, community supervision of an offender excuse me, as an alternative to imprisonment, it's a suspended sentence effectively. Parole however is the conditional release of an offender prior to the end of his/her sentence I'll talk a little bit more about how structure sentencing changed that and why many people think of parole as something that's still actively ongoing and that is actually not true. In North Carolina, [those who receive] revision is a mandatory period of supervision after an act offend, after an offender is released from prison Structure something, Don spoke a little bit about this last week. the idea of structured sentencing was to create uniform,

fair and transparent sentencing so that people were not being paroled at dates far and in advance of the end of their sentence. The idea was that it would be uniformly [applied] and predictable And it effectively eliminated early release of parole for all crimes committed after 1994, after the effect of the date of legislation, so 184 people were paroled last year for crimes committed prior to structured sentencing, which means they were paroled for crimes committed in the farthest, in the past, and we will continue to have some some population, this number will continue to climb every year, as this population gets smaller and smaller. And it's worth remembering, that some pointed out that 95% of people who go to prison, come back out of prison. Such sentencing prioritizing prison beds for the most serious and chronic offenders. Trying to keep them for those people we want least to be out and about and amongst us. So, the justice screen investment act of 2011, was the first thing it's been changed since structured sentencing, since that law had been passed. What happened and this happens normally in North Carolina, but in a number of state, it's that, legislatures noticed that there were steady increases in prison population and the cost of course incarcerating people despite the fact the crime rate had started to decline, and had been inclined for quite some time. So just as reinvestment investment initiative, we're in attempt to address this while maintaining public safety at the same time. So JOA, I know, there's an expert here on JOA if who was here on the large placement path if anyone has questions about the video. So, some of Jerry's main provision, Jerry expanded the authority that delegated to probation officers by the court. So the probation officers now have a lot more leeway on what they can do and what they can required of the offenders under their supervision. It shifted emphasis to evidence based practices so rather than having a one size fits all model of supervision, they found what they found in the National Institute of Correction found is that there are more effective ways to manage offenders based on their assessed risk needs level. They limited the circumstances under which probation could be revoked, and they mandated 9-12 months of post release supervision for all felons who serve an active sentence. The purpose of post-release supervision, and I must spend a couple of minutes on this because it is one of the drivers of probation of their case loads now. To have a reintegrated program, something that helps people enter back into their communities after an active sentence. It was created originally, the post release supervision was created by search sensing to replace parole supervision for offenders who chose long prison sentences, because, as you all know, it's the longer you've been in prison, the harder it is to reintegrate into society when you're out. Injustice reinvestment, the conditions for post release supervision are set by the post release supervision and parole commission, and is now sentence statute so, E1 through E cons are supervised for 12 months, and F through I cons are supervised for 9 months. And the idea is to transition offenders between people who have served long prison terms into their community effectively and not to just send them out without tools or the ability to transition effectively. Chair I also extended post released supervision because the study that supported justice reinvestment, the council of stat government study found that probation revocations were one of the driving factors of correction costs in North Carolina. Over half of the admissions to prison, half were for technical violations of probation, meaning not new crimes being committed but things like failing a drug screen, failing to check in the probation officer on time, things like that. So we have 50% of people going to prison not for crimes but for violating the terms of their probation, this creates a revolving duo, a very expensive revolving duo and Jerry wanted to address that. They also found out that many serious offenders were being released without supervision or plan for reintegration which is essentially set the conditions for some very problematic reentry into the community. Here you can see how post release supervision entries are increase in steadily post JRA, so will continue to scrap, the final continue to go up. One of the pieces of community corrections is the parole and post release supervision commission. There are four commissioners and 33 staff.

This set post release conditions for all felons exiting prison, and those people who are still under structured sentencing. They are parole for those few inmates who are left. The judicial services coordinators, our court house staff who support probation and parole officers, they process course intake of supervised and unsupervised probation cases, assigned community service placement and more community service hours And then we get to the bulk of it the bulk of the work under this umbrella, the probation and parole officers. As at the end of last month there were 103000 people under supervision in North Carolina. and I have noted here that in statute is the goal of the general assembly, that case loads for probation officers, this is again based on The National Institute of Correction study, should not hire moderate risk of re-offenders, should not exceed 60 per officer and the general assembly has acted to support that case load goal in the last several years, I'll talk about that a little bit more. Thank you. There's a budget part on the probation parole officers and that includes their vehicle. Yes that's right. These are case load averages. I have a couple of big notes about this slide that I would like to emphasize strongly. This is a state-wide average by division, and there are couple of things that are not taken into account here. First is that the department has several case load models that use it. So if a probation officer is monitoring a number of population of high-risk, high-needs offenders for example sex offenders or people with system mental illnesses. They will have a smaller case load than 60. They will have a caseload of 40, because this population is so demanding and difficult, so that should be taken into account as well. If you have a population of very low-needs, low-risk individuals, then your case load may be higher than 60, so as is the case with all averages, there's something more to the story and this doesn't show the end of the spectrum. Representative Hugues. I just want to make sure. We got the asterisk here, it says all positions are filled is that what you were just talking about the averages? That was my next, very good that was my next point. This also doesn't take into account the fact that there are always divisions that are unsold I mean there are frequently turn over and there's frequently people who are absent because of illness or prime military leave, and so this is an average based ideal situation of every position has been filled and every person being there. In the real world, when you factor in sickness, military leave and all the other factors that can happen the average feet right here is close to 60 or 61. Okay, that was where I was going because I saw [xx] and I realized that, they are not always full of staff, so therefore the case loads maybe extra higher than what this is showing. Correct. and that's a significant aspect there and also the new probation for officer positions that have recently been, that were funded and sealed is not as if those people for those new officers can run out to the field immediately. There is a steepening curve that they have to follow but they are not fully getting a full case [xx] either This understates the state [xx] average. Thank you for asking that question. Dare I ask the lotmore probation officers in the extent of their authority and their responsibility at the same time they're required now to access every, probationer using a detail grid assessment tool and now determines to see probation levels of the offender under their supervision vision. They're also allowed to impose electronic monitoring, they may confine an offender to jail for up to six days per month, you may have heard of these as quick dips, or a 90-day for people who are particularly serving a 90-day confinement or response to violation which are called Dunks often when people are talking about this legislation. I'll talk a little more about that when I talk about the confinement or response to violation centre, so just. Basic evidence pay practice required that the probation officer's gather maintain a great deal of data on each

probationer for more targeted services and supervision levels. So this is really, it increased the number of tools the probation officers have, and has also increases the amount of work that they have with each offender. So the rest needs assessment. It's based on these three component pieces which then fit into the decision about the supervision levels. I'll explain more about supervision levels on the next slide. It was developing consultation with the Councillor of the government and UNC's school of social work and again part of this shift away from a one side that's all modeled to provision and towards something that actually targeted to see whether this offender has a specific risk or need that's not being met and it's part of the reason been there instead of waiting. Some offenders will be assessed at high level or will require a high level supervision regardless of the routine assessment. Sex offenders, domestic violence offenders, certail DWI offenders, and documented gang members will have a more intensive levels in regardless of whether or not they show up on this to be pretty cool easy going people. Representative [xx]. Thank you Mr. Chair, who does this briskly? Declaration officer does ma'am. Has to put it has to put it in the computer then sales do they have to do all of them. Yes ma'am I believe so. The probation officer enters the results into the database Precythe. Please identify yourself. Anne Precythe, director for community corrections. In all of our counties we actually have a computer setup for the offenders to be able to sit down and enter their part of the assessment process on their own instances where the offender is not able to do that and probation does enter the results into the computer. Follow up That's pretty time consuming. Alright, takes a lot of their time away. Anne Precythe director for community corrections we have not heard that is time consuming, we actually hear from our officers that they find benefits in the community communication process from reviewing the information with the offender and then how we get it in already into the system, there may be somebody else who enters the actual responses for the officer. Thank you. Before we move on I wanted to welcome our guests this morning if we have with us Judge Mary and Warren. Judge, we're glad to have you with us, and that you will officially star as AOC Director on May 1st, I understand. That's correct Mr. Chairman. Thank you.comments, your welcome to make a couple comments if you like. No sir, I'm engrossed in this presentation, and I appreciate the time that you allowed to be here, and I look forward to working with everyone in this room, in the coming months. Thank you so much Mr. Chairman. Thank you for coming. after the risk-need assessment's completed, the offender is assigned at supervision level. Level one is the highest risk and needs has the most restrictive requirements of the offender, contact requirements meaning they're going to be contacting or contacted by their probation officer much more frequently, and the most severe insisting on compliance. Level two and three are medium risk and needs, and levels four and five are the lowest levels risk and needs with the least restricted supervision levels. Some of these people maybe eligible to report remotely if they are at the very lowest risk in each level as I mentioned before, but I want to reiterate. If a probation officer is supervising the highest RID, highest needs, people they will have a lower case load serious supervising the lowest risk-needs people, they will have a higher case load. I also wanted to emphasize the increase use of electronic monitoring of offenders. This is tripled in the last three years? I think can probably continue to be used frequently, particularly sex standards sub-section stringent requirements about [electronic monitoring] It costs $7 a day and $4.1 million annually recurrently for current, that's the current year's budget for this. [xx] Excuse me, are the offenders Charged for this $7 a day, did they pay or they recouped? They are assessed of the, I'm not sure how much that is being collected Precythe can answer. Staff [xx] can answer, Miss. Precythe.

Thank you, Anne Precythe, director for community correction we are working with our staff to develop a process to be able to collect the $90 fee which is ordered by the court as well as the $4.37 fee, the daily fee for the offenders. That we may used to be a challenge but we continue to work  through it with our staff. So is it challenging just because it's a challenge to get any money out of probationers, is that? And Precise, yes sir. There's the floor. Thank you sir. Okay moving on to community supervision programs. The face budget for next year for these programs is $12 million and includes the treatment for effective community supervision. I'll speak about that in more detail on the slide. This is going through a name change. The broaden axis for community treatment funds, transition and temporary housing, community intervention centers, local re-entry councils which are, as I understand, our pilot projects at the moment and intensive out patient services. the treatment for effective community supervision is the main part of this budget, it replaced what was known as the Criminal Justice Partnership Program, you all might remember that, that was money that was given to each county to deal with the, to provide services to this population. This is shifted to focus on the use of evidence they've practices to reduce recidivism, and it now primarily funds cognitive behavior on invention, which has been shown by a great deal of research to be effective and low cost in treating the problems of this particular population, and 25% remain for substance abuse program through this program. OK, now we move on to this fan part of reinvestment and results. This is a positive news article about North Carolina Statutory Reinvestment Initiative, in the New York Times last September, and if you'd like, I will send you a link to this article, it's really interesting and good profile of what their department has been doing with Jerry and they're exchanging roles with probational officers. So I wanted to highlight that. So part of justice reinvestment is the idea that you will be able to close prisons by keeping people and treating people at the community level and you'll reinvest some of those savings into those community programs in order to slow or stop the revolving door of people going back to prison over and over again for probation violation. So the general assembly has strongly supported reinvestment into the community level programs, and into probation and parole. In 2013, 175 new probation parole officers positions were funded, there were also eight new case analyst positions funded at the parole commission to help them analyze the increased number of post release supervision files that they're going to see. There're funds for new electronic monitoring equipment, and two years of at $2 million per year of substance abuse funds for high risk populations, those funds do expire in this current fiscal year and has not been renewed In 2014, two CRV centers were funded at $7.4 million and there were also 100 new vehicles. You all probably remember this discussion or probation and parole officers. So let's talk a little bit about and perhaps Miss [precise] would also like to speak about the confinement response to violation centers and they were authorized in last year's budget act, opened last December. Have a capacity of 248 and 192 at Robertson, and a staff of about 43 at each center. Chairman [xx] great jobs That's good, that's good. Mr. Chair perhaps you would like to talk about the confinement response of the violation center. No you're not. I'm glad you're open. [we now look good open now] and precise, director for Community Corrections, just out of curiosity but there's something specific or you were just giving me the floor? this is exciting. Actually, I can tell you that from our

perspective we have been very, very pleased with the activities that are going on at the CRV centers. We are starting to to see, documentation from the offenders, that have struggled the most, by writing in their journals or sending letters to the staff to tell them how much they were fighting the program but, we continued to work with them and now they see about making a change in their lives, and it has been very interesting. There art work that we have seen from offenders, were they able to express the change that they see coming- about from where they've been to where they feel like they are now has been incredibly impressive and I'd be happy to share some that with you all. We are very pleased with the programming, our relationship with the vendor has worked out very well, people are attending programming, they're participating in computer classes in education classes, in employment classes. There are weekly dorm meetings and weekly facility group meetings, and we have really seen what we believe that these programs were designed to do starting to come about. So I look forward to some positive results as we continue to work through the issue. Thank you. [xx] inmates with certificates that are [xx] so this is Anne Precythe, director of community corrections the specific. The question representative Graham is asking is if the inmates are being given the certificate of employment, upon their release. This in not an actual prison program, so they're not getting that particular certificate. That is for the inmates that are actually in our prison system. What they are getting, are the certificates that apply to any kinds of completion that they have done, whether it is a specific program on the computer or something that the community college is offering or a particular education. So, it's not the specific program that you're referencing for the inmates in our prison system. Thank you. And if I can just add one more thing representatives, I do like these. Thank you. I just want to add, they're not in the program long enough to obtain the certificate that you're referencing. They're only there for 90 days, so they're participating in whatever programming we're able to do for them in 90 days but they can't complete a full employment program. [xx] They feel like inmates and you you're being released of one, two and you've given this? [xx] That's a great question. Did you want to say more? [xx] We are the primary function, the primary program that we're working on at the CRV is the cognitive restructuring, the cognitive behavioral interventions that is a full 90 day program and they require multiple times a week and in combination with that, they're participating in the support services, the education kind of evaluate where they are, what can they do when they are released, employment class the computers, they can go online and look for jobs in their local community. All of this is overseen by staff at the facility that are probation officers as well as case managers from our prison side and then the programming staff. One other question sir. So when that time is over, it's programs don't work for me annually now start's to act? Good question, [xx] you're released back to supervision with the probation officer. So this is that interim 90 days because the court can not re-vote supervision. So they go to the CRV Center, and then they're released back to supervision for the probation parole officer to continue to work with them, and reinforce the skills, and lessons that they've learnt while they were in the CRV center. So the probation officer is picking where they leave off in the facility to continue to get them to the responsibility of the local community the department while they are because is the residential 490 days, 24/7 program. Yes sir?

OK. Thank you, while you're up why was it about the CRV centre I sleep in the slide they has 116 current population 127 in Robinson what is the average population, and does it fluctuate a lot up down or this does stay pretty constant? [xx] the community correction, it is not fluctuating, it is growing because the people who are eligible to these particular facilities are coming every Wednesday and every Friday. We did not remove people who are currently in the prison system to fill the facilities because the programming and the structure is so vastly different than what they are doing in the prison system. So these programs are starting with our standards that were ordered to a CRV starting in December of 2014 and we've actually increased our numbers, we are at 140 as of the day that I gave Lisa this numbers we are at 140 Bark and we're at 143 in Robinson. So is the 43 officers staff per center, is that staffed for capacity or for what you've got now? David Guise, Commissioner today actions due to maljustice. Thank you representative. The staffing pattern was one that we predicted that would be for the full number when we were full. However, I just have received a request to look at some additional staffing because we've determined that there are some additional needs that we did not account for initially and I've just authorized a movement of some additional staff for both CRV facilities. So we're, it's a new program and we're making adjustments as we see that we need to. So I think probably in your next report you'll see that we have increased that staff and we have been able to so that from within, with the funds that we have and adjustments that we need to make. Follow up, are you transferring those staff from other facilities? and what types of positions are they? Little bit moving vacant positions from facilities, other facilities. We do that quite often where the need might be so that's not unusual for us to do that. And- the second part of your question? And what types of positions are, thank you, very good question these position will really be more, trying to think of a title for that position, case manager These are staff that will be home side their in the facilities, we call them state these managers, their CO positions basically, our probation staff, we do not need additional probation staff there and had already taken some steps to address that when that need came up, so that will be the position How many staff What did you determine your additional staff needs are? Eight, 10? Thank you sir they guys commissioner correction Juvenile Justice. The request that came to me was additional 12 staff for each facility. And we are determined to add authorized moving sic at this time for each facility and wanted to do that and see how that worked out and then, what we have learnt is as we're opening additional dorms as those numbers are going up we needing some additional staff, but we did not think that we would need originally. But that's shrub of the range six and six for other facility. One follow up and I

apologize I would know take is vote my house what types of space is this? Are they outdoms what type of Housing units do you have? They guys commissioner, they are dorms, and that's the housing and we also have classrooms, of course we have eating area. I don't know if you've been to one of these facilities before or not but these, we just open to close or and then they're over closed to sell this so you have the same as if we were opening up a facility. You got a little section for medical and we got offices for staff, I think the addition from the conventional facility we have probation officers that are located on site, so but it is a dorm style, yes Thank you representative, from Roberts county.  Thank you Mr. Chair I have I guess [x] I know that these guys are going back in for technical violations. What is the most prevalent violation [xx]. Being precise, community correction, that's the next point question representative and that is not, I'll be honest that's not on the  data that we have specifically looked at yet, but I will certainly review that. I want to be n what we report, so we can definitely get that information to you. Follow up, I know each individual has a the plan is to do cognitive behavior intervention. With the Probation Officer, or is that with the Case Manager? Amplified community correction, another very good question. They participate in group sessions with the program provider, as well as one-on-one individual sessions and then the probation officer is following up and supplementing or complementing that with individual structure worksheet that we do. And we do group sessions with certain number of offenders that're assigned to them in that particular time. So it's a combination between the program and the probation office I have a follow-up, Mr. Chair.  You certainly have, you may? When you identify the cognitive behavior needs of that individual I guess that's done as part of the intervention? In precise, yes sir, it is. the offenders that're receiving the 90-day CRV have already completed their first 60 days of supervision, so the initial risk-needs assessment has been completed, we've identified their level of risk, we've identified their needs, all of that information is shared with the facility. So everybody can see the case plan the offender was working under, and then the probation officer in the field can also see the same case plan that the probation officer in the facility is working. So it's one case plan that follows that offender, whether they're in the CRV or in the community  One more time, one more time, Representative [xx]   Do they feel bad when they leave the CRV or they were the same, same probation officers? Yes sir they are, Follow up. Follow up. So that probation officer understands that person's issues, he understand their cognitive abilities and you would you say that in order for that probation officer to do the CS it involves a lot of time to,  and I'm coming back to the question Representative Hurley asked earlier, does that pool then meant to be more of a clinical type role as opposed to a probation officer? in precise, that's a good question. We view it as responding to behavior and there are for ways to respond to behavior, whether it's positive behavior or negative behavior. The first part of your question was an excellent point and that's one that we're most proud of. The communication between the probation officer and the facility, as well as the probation officer in the field has really increased, and so we are beginning to develop a process by which the two officers are able to transition from the field what was not going well while he was in the field? Why did he end up in violation? What does the Probation Officer in

the facility need to focus on, and how can they help him transition back to supervision and not make those same errors again. So the program staff are aware of that, as well as the probation officer, and then there's communication on the back end, about what does he need to be doing in the field when he returns, and he does return to the same probation officer in the field. So it's really becoming a seamless system for us. Thank you.  And if I can just add one more thing and it is labor-intensive for the probation officers and this is why those case loads of 40 are so important because they've the highest risk offender and they take more time for the officer and the time span communicating in developing that plan about what are we going to do. A probation officer does not engage in clinical work at all. And we're responding to behavoir and the tools that we've been given and the research shows that there're second ways first to do it, but it is time-consuming when you're dealing with a high-risk offender. And it can involve the family, it can involve lots of other people so it's not just checking conditions of supervision any longer. Thank you. Commissioner Guise, just wanted to add one thing. Representative George Graham asked a great question earlier, and it involved the programming and certificates that inmates receive and I wanted to assure him and the committee that those inmates working through programs within the prison system that are serving in active sentence possibly working with compound records and the many programs we have there many training programs e. T. C these inmates are earning very important certificates that they take in they are able to get jobs when they are released. So I just wanted to touch bases on that because that is the group that of course that are serving those active sentences and are working in programming job related that they are able to take those when they leave and are very successful at getting jobs, and we've got a lot of stats and I know you all covered that yesterday with prison enterprises and I think that's very important to note. Ready to sit down Thank you, Sir. If you need to take [xx]?  I'm fine. OK, alright. I apologize but I have one more problem with CRV centers, since Charles has stated that they're filling up fast what is plan B when they're full? Thank You, Sir. David Guise, Commissioner. Yes Sir, you're the Chair. Have you heard my train of thought also follow up, we have 100 or something probationers?  Correct? I'm trying to understand. 100, 000 probationers what percentage of that has the potential of being sent to a CRV in the back of McNeill's question. OK, I'll get yours, get his first very good question Commissioner Guise, let me say the legislative body provided an avenue where as we saw the need changing for additional CRVs, for myself, and the secretary to look at that, and potentially open up closed facilities, if we could find the funding source. So we have that avenue there that we would have to look at. I do believe that we're going to need to open some more CRVs. I think you're going to see great success with this. Now, I have to tell you the first thing I would do is to look, not at closed facilities, but I would look as we re-mission facilities, and we're in the process of doing that now, to see if I could not do that using the resources that I currently have, and possibly not have to open up the closed facilities, so that's the fist thing I would look at. I'll also tell you that we are looking closely at a stand alone CRV for we'll have female population. They now are being handled

at eastern, sir I think we've got it eastern, I think we've got it at, but it's not a stand alone facility, but there's some special needs with that population we're looking closely at that. If I might, I am in the asking mode every day to have that provision available before, as we say, we move forward for us to be able to make that decision, and look for resources from within, is something that I think will be very beneficial and helpful for us to have.  So I'll just put that on the table, now I will turn to my staff and answer Mr. Bows question, some numbers going on behind me here. I'm told at least 65% out of 100, 000 but those again you're talking of well you're talking about, you're not going to have a mall at one term, but you're talking about folks that potentially are going to or commit technical violations and if you can recall the data reflected that that's we were feeling beds by set up we have about 53% in 2009 and again of that number I think and I was propation violations 76% was for technical violations so we are already reversing that and we are doing some great work here and I think when you see the numbers in half that's going to impact a extremism, it's a great investment, but there's a lot of thing's, that I can think we can do within and I'm working hard to identify we missed in the facilities to look and see how we can save money again, it's not always an ask for new revenue source, it's an ask as we save money, allow us to reinvest that money back into ways that we can be successful, thank you. Can I sit down? Yes, you could, that would be fine. I think you tee-d it up for Miss Fox to go to the next slide. Indeed, that's correct. The next slide shows the decline in prison admissions based on revocation of probation. So you can see that the drop happens, that's the blue line on top, the drop happens quite sharply after the implementation of JRA, and as Commissioner Guise said, that is a striking story and a striking chart. We also see that the probation revocation rate, and I'd like to thank the Department for these charts actually, the probation revocation rate has also declined dramatically since the introduction of JRA, and then finally, I wanted to talk about a study that the Department did of [xx] those are the two to three day free periods of confinement for people who have violated the terms of their probation. These are preliminary results because of course JRA is only applicable to crimes committed after the passage of JRA, so we are only now starting to really see the results of that legislation in action, but the study that was done about correctives, and I'd be happy to sent you all a copy of it, showed, compared two sets of offenders, 368 who were subjected to a quick tip and a marching group who were not subjected to a quick tip, and the results was surprising in terms of how strong they were. 92% of the offenders who were subjected to a quick tip, had a positive outcome, meaning that they remained active, they did not have their supervision removed and they did not abscond, which is good, and 53% of the control group had a positive outcome so that's the striking and significant difference between these two and I'm looking forward to seeing how this research continues to show the result of these swift sanctions that are effective with this group, are their any questions? Yes sir, gentleman from Crovison. Thank you I want to come back to the earlier slide and it was what page well it was one of the very earliest life who were talking about the annual cost and some page five. The annual cost for 30, 185 annually to keep a person in prison. Does that cost include other aspects of that person's care? Healthcare, GED, drug treatments all those

things are including next hpe? Could I have the thought as any clue kept to cost to? Now you're a bondo. Yes sir, the 30. thousand figure does include healthcare, all of it, total, healthcare, education, everything. On another issue, this is time to ask questions? Correct. Local re-entry counsellors, what is the future of local re-entry councils? Mr. Chair, I think the department [xx] will answer that. Local re-entry allowances[sp?]. I don't have figures. The question was the use of local re entry counsellors. Is that going to be a continuous of the objectives re-investment? Commissioner Guise, the answer is yes. Very important local resource counsellors, extremely important to our success, and it engages and involves the communities, and we need to build on what we have and continue that, and Nicole Sullivan who heads up our research and planning section, I think we changed the name of that but rehabilitative programs and services I'm being told, but that program is headed up by her and she is working that, the answer is yes. Let me clarify a point if I might on the daily cost per offender. They are in prisons, so that average 8270 of course, is averaged based on the type of supervision there we're offering, whether it's minimum, medium, closed custody, that's the average, that does take care of our overhead and the facilities etc. Does the call take care of new capital cost, the answer is no, but that's the answer, not only daily costs to community corrections for offender. The 429 per day does not include that's not the treatment. Probation Officers an overhead, just want to clarify that. Can I have a this another question that I'm not sure who to direct this to travel is community supervisions program the reduction restarism reduction services. Can you tell us a little bit about that, I would like to know more about that, just in general. Thank you, and and preside community corrections. Yes, sir, so what we're doing, is we have taken all the different programming that we are developed over the last three years, and we are placing it under the tax umbrella which taxes the primary funding source. We had the broad access to community treatment funds that we've combined all of those funds and out of all that money, we have provided the CBR treatment substance abuse which is our primary focus the more just piece that is formally what we call tax. That is our [xx] reduction program because that still impacts the same population the high risk kinney population at risk per substance abuse and re offending, but in addition to that mojo tax umbrella we provide transitional housing for the high risk population, we provide temporary housing, we have the community innovation centers which are for high risk offenders at risk revocation or additional confinement we have the local reentry council so we do want to expand that, so we want to expand that funding to cover all of the programming initiatives that we have started over the last few years, and the last one is the intensive out patient services, but we had a difficult time with vendor community securing that consistently across the state we plan to once we complete our current RSP process for the next set of recidivism reduction, which is CDN substance abuse, we plan to put down in RFP for intensive out patients services, substance abuse services, and cluster to those so that one provider can provide

services to a multiple number of counties. So that's what were looking for. Mr. Guise[sp?] I think he had another question. So you are doing RFPs for the recidivism reduction providers? In pre-psych, yes sir. It's the same process we had to follow when Tex[sp?] was first developed. It specifically says that we do a competitive bid process which requires us to follow the purchasing process. So we have to put a request for a proposal out for those services You okay? No when do you think you'll begin, I know you don't know you know FB right now. When will you start actually providing identify yourselves? Yes sir, we are Amplified, we are currently providing all of the services, with the exception of the intent of out-patient services, the new RSP, we hope to have awarded in June of 2015 for services to begin, July 1 of 2015, and that's the [xx] reduction RFP. You are okay? I'm fine. Alright, did you have a follow up or a comment? I just had a comment.commissioner. Mr. Guice, I wanted mention that, we've been working on addressing mental health needs across this great State and in the Governor's budget, there was resources requested to begin addressing that, specific typically in their present system, I would like to mention that we have needs in the community correction, a piece that the request initially was, we wanted to be able to have some mental health case loads. We felt like that population needed that special attention and the request was for additional staff adding number of about $4 million. I'd love to have the opportunity to talk with you all at some point about that because again, we're trying to seriously address the mental health issue that we've faced, were faced at the local level, jails and at the emergency rooms, and it's very important for us to be able to have the right size of case load to address that situation. Thank you. We look forward. I know that the mental health and CRVs are going to be an issue coming up, and the lady from Randolph. Thank you, I have a question. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can you tell us about how many are put in solitary confinement or whatever word that's called anymore, and is that because of not having enough staffing? Because the mental, and it's mentally ill Commissioner Guise, we've gone away from using the term solitary confined, but in, that's really on a national level. We're looking at the term, Restrictive Housing, is what we like to use these days, but it means the same thing basically. The exact numbers, I would have to get that number, I don't have that number today, but I will tell you that restrictive housing is no more than a small prison within a prison. It is something therefore folks, that aren't complying with the rules of prison, sometimes they're administrative rules. The problem we have is it relates to our mental health population we have to have a good assessment process up front, and we have to, nationally we're told that North Carolina's numbers should reflect about 18% of the population. Our numbers reflects about 12%, so there's some difference there, and it's all in how you're assessing people, and the tool that you're using. So we're making a change there. The funding that we, that's in the governor's budget addresses, allowing us to set up eight sites across the state, that, where we would not be placing those in mental health. People identify with mental health issues in a restrictive housing setting. It would be in a therapeutic housing type unit, therapeutic control unit. That would require additional staff, and both COs, Correctional Officers, and a medical staff, and that is in the governor's budget that he proposed, so that funding is there for us if this body decides that it's an appropriate stand that

we move forward with that so the needs that you are expressing are there in the governor's budget, the piece that was not there was the staff and monies for us to address mental health needs supervision program, people hurt in our community and the percentage which we would mental under community supervision is about 12% in the community, about 12% hold on, let me, I've gathered. We are going to have to get that number for so we got to think that's much higher than that. Okay, thank you. One follow up. You know we had a session and. Okay fine I would take a minute. I'll make it quick. These are at in the restricted housing are they under observation  or can you see them at yes, the commission guys, the answer is yes. Any further comment? for the good old committee, Mildred, are you okay this morning. All right, any question? I know she knew bosses around, made sure you're recognized. Meeting adjourned [xx]