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Senate | March 11, 2015 | Chamber | Senate Session

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We come to order. Close the doors, members get in their seats. Members and guests in the gallery, if you will please silence all electronic devices. Leading the senate in prayer is the reverend Peter Miller, senate chaplin. All members and guests of the gallery, please stand. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let's pray together. Lord of all compassion, we are thankful that this day is the day that you have made. We thank you for life. We thank you for help and we thank you for strength. Today, Lord, we lift up friends and familiies and individuals that are connected to the trafic helicopter crash in Florida. Four of our very own were in that crash. We have lost 11 of our bravest souls. We stop and we pause and we honor them. Intercede, Lord. Comfort those in needs. We direct our gaze toward you, Lord, becasue in no other person may we find peace. Direct us, today, in the ways that we would conduct our business and that might always be in light, your light. In jesus' name we pray. Amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator is recognized for a motion [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. The journal of Tuesday March 10, 2015 has been examined and is found to be correct. I move the bench with the reading of the journal and that it stand approved as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No objections. The journal from March 10 stands approved as written. Senators we have leaves of absence from senators Curtis Raven and Jay Davis. We also have a doctor of the day and a nurse of the day with us today. Our doctor of the day is Doctor Acock of Gastonia, North Carolina. Dr. Acock has his 10 year-old son, Davis Acock, with him. If you will stand to be recognized, thank you for serving the senate. And senators, we have a nurse of the day, Desarae Deprix of Winterville, North Carolina. Nurse Deprix, thank you for joining us as well. Senators the mention of Gildford county. The chair is happy to extend courtesies of their gallery to Linda Shaw, former Gilford county commissor, and wife of senator Bob Shaw. Ms. Shaw, if you're with us, please stand to be recognized. Thank you for being with us today. Approve the motion of senator Robinson of Gilford County. The chair is happy to extend courtesies to the mayor of Greensborrough, Nancy Vaugh, and members of the Greensborrough council if you're with us, please stand to be recognized. And senators apwan the motion of senator Baron of Wake county. The chair is happy to extend courtesies of the gallery to Liz Crookshank and her girl scout daughters. Liz's husband is a u.s. navy seal and a physician assistant assigned to a near-by military base. As well, we have apawned the motion of senator Cook of Beaufort County. The chair's happy to extend courtesies of the gallery to girl scout troops 2428 and 4305. If you're with us please stand, and other girl scouts, you will be recognized in a minute.If those follks would stand, thank you for joining us. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. A couple house-keeping matters first. The mayor of Greensborough is married to former senator -

...I wish we could have put that in our prayer, but anyway, also I see the reverend is gone. I was going to talk to him about his demon deacons last night, but he’s already left the building, so he left them out of the prayer also. And then I had something I wanted to say to the Girl Scouts about the handsome young man doctor, but I’m gonna leave that alone also. Mr. President, Senate Bill 181, Wake County Commissioner’s district is listed second on our calendar. Today I move that it be put on first. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 125, Jim Folgen?, Teen Skin Cancer Prevention Act, currently in the committee on rules, ask it to be re-referred to the committee on healthcare. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Resolution 232 honoring the Girl Scouts, the bill was filed yesterday. I move to suspend the rules and have it introduced today and placed on the calendar for immediate consideration now. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Resolution, we’re gonna move right into the calendar, Senator, so starting with Senate Resolution 232, ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Resolution 232, resolution honoring the Girl Scouts of the USA by Senator Barringer. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Resolution 232, clerk will read again. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Resolution 232, honoring Girl Scouts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barringer is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m here to rise on behalf of the Girl Scouts. For 46 years, I have been a member of this wonderful organization. It has shaped my life and the lives of many, many girls. In NC, there are at least 60,000 Girl Scout members and there are tens of thousands of adult Girl Scout leaders and volunteers. Today, we bring forth this resolution in honor of you, in honor of that wonderful institution that was founded in 1912 by Juliette Gordon Low, and so ladies and gentlemen, I commend the Girl Scouts to you and their wonderful, wonderful organization. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do we have any discussion or debate? Sen. Robinson, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I rise to thank Sen. Barringer for that. I too am so very proud of the work of the Girl Scouts. It happens that as I grew up in GA, we couldn’t afford, you all think I’m ancient, but we couldn’t afford to be a part of the Girl Scouts, but I’m proud of the fact that my own daughter was the first teenager to serve on the board of the Tar Heel Triangle Girl Scout Council in our area...and to win the Gold Award, and we’ve seen a lot of girls have the opportunity to learn leadership skills, to learn how to work together on different community projects, the importance of recognizing differences and sameness, and really getting to know each other and to promote community. So we’re very proud of the work that the Girl Scouts in NC do. And they’re well known across the country. I’ve even traveled to national conferences with them, so we’re extremely proud of the work they do, their parents who support them, the different churches, the different organizations in our communities that give them a place to meet as well too. So we’re proud of that. Sen. Barringer, I thank you for that and I join you in commending this resolution and thank you, Girl Scouts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sen. Smith-Ingram, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I rise to support the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator, would you like to speak to the resolution? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor, Senator. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to thank Girl Scouts USA. Growing up in TX and NC, I was so privileged to be a part of this wonderful organization. This wonderful organization taught me leadership skills that I carry today on the senate floor. I’m especially excited about all of the Girl Scout cookies, the Do-si-dos, the Samoas, the Lemon Cremes are all among my favorite. Trefoils will always be close in my heart. I am especially excited sincerely about the new initiative of Girl Scouts, and that is pushing the STEM fills and STEM programs. We need more women in science technology, engineering and mathematics. So thank you, Senator and...

Thank you Girl Scouts for what you’re doing today to increase the involvement of women in the STEM and Science fields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any further discussion or debate? Senator Bingham, for what purpose you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the Senate. I know you’re probably wondering why I have risen. I was not a Girl Scout, but I had 4 daughters who were and my wife was a scoutmaster. And actually, I served on the Tar Heel Girl Scout Board with some pretty cantankerous ladies and I’ve eaten thousands of Girl Scout cookies and recently bought some from some girl scouts here in Raleigh. It’s a wonderful organization and my girls enjoyed Girl Scouts, with except to the camping part, which they didn’t know how to pitch a tent without being in a mud hole or something, so they’d always come home sick. But, they had a good experience and it was very rewarding for them. And, thank all of you for being here. Thank you, Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McInnis, what purpose you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, I rise to support this motion, if I might say a word or two. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You can speak to the resolution, Senator. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. I’m very proud of the Girl Scouts and all they have done, especially here in rural North Carolina. In my job as a real estate agent for the last 43 years, I’ve had many, many defining moments. But, one of the most defining moments was our opportunity to sell a beautiful piece of property in Richmond County, North Carolina, that has become one of the premiere Girl Scout camps in America. And, we are very proud of that Girl Scout camp in Richmond County. It’s in the Derby area close to Pinehurst and it fulfills a great need of girls being able to get out into the wilds, if you will, into the rural areas of North Carolina and see the great things that we have in that area. And, I rise to support this motion. Thank you, Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Senator. Any other discussion or debate? Senator Tarte, for what purpose your rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? has the floor, speak to the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, since everybody’s talking, I thought this would be pretty important. I don’t want to be remised in recognizing both my wife and my daughter, who both have their Gold Award and for the gentlemen in the room, the Eagle Scouts, I believe we have 12, but the Gold Award is the most recognized as the equivalent of the Eagle Scout Award. What I want to share and this is to speak to the girls, the scouts themselves. Having worked for both IBM and having been a former partner at Ernst & Young, great big companies that recruit at campuses all over this country and I will tell you when you get out of college that all these recruiters look at are the things you did in college. They will not care if you were the star on the basketball team in high school. They won’t care if you had the lead role in a play. They’re probably not even going to care that much if you were your high school valedictorian. The one thing that they all want to know though and the only thing that carries forward from high school, were you a Gold Award winner. Because what it does is speaks to who you are as a person. It demonstrates that you have discipline and commitment. It demonstrates the type of character and ethics that you have as a person. There’s nothing that will stay with you like being a Gold Award winner for the rest of your life. So, commend to you to continue to pursue that goal. It is a worthy goal and it’s one that people will recognize who you are for the rest of your life. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Senator. Any other discussion or debate? Hearing now the question for the Senate is the motion to adopt Senate Resolution 232. We will have one electronic vote. All in favor will vote aye, opposed will vote no. 5 seconds will be allowed for the voting and the clerk will record the vote. Senator Jackson, Jackson, aye. 37 having voted in the affirmative, 0 in the negative. Senate Resolution 232 is adopted. Senator Barringer has the floor for a point of personal privilege out of order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chair, Mr. President. I rise today for a very, very special recognition. The Girl Scout has for girls from the age 5 to 15 a National Lifesaving Medal of Honor Award and it’s awarded to a Girl Scout in that age range that has saved a life, actually saved a life. And, I would like right now for Erin Elmo, who should be here on the floor with us wave there Erin, and Grace Therington, who should be in the gallery. Grace, where are you? There she is. These two ladies and not together have been awarded this award. Let me tell you just a little bit about it. Erin of Holly Springs, one of my constituents, while.

In a fast food restaurant saved a customer’s life who was choking. She did what we used to call the Heimlich maneuver, and imagine if any of us were in a fast food restaurant wouldn’t we love to have someone like Erin there to save our lives. Thank you. And then we have Grace up in the gallery and she rescued here 3 year old cousin from the swift currents of the Pawmonkey River in Virginia and I’m sure she used all of the appropriate and very, very hard earned lifesaving skills to be able to do this. Ladies and gentlemen, I commend these two to you for their courage and heroism and I’m sure that a great deal of that came from their experiences before from their Girl Scout leaders and Girl Scouts. Ladies, I’m humbled to be here before you. Thank you. [applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] And at this time the chair is also very pleased to extend courtesies of the gallery to all of our Girl Scouts and Girl Scout leaders. If all of you up there would please stand and be recognized. Thank you all for being here as well. [applause] And Senator Barringer, I think you wanted to send forward a Senatorial Statement as well. You can send that forward at this time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir. Absolutely I will. I was so excited about the award. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If we could have a page get the Senatorial Statement and send it forward. Thank you Senator. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And while I have the floor, sir, if I might mention that Miss Tharingtion is from Bunn so her Senator might want to know that as well. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Senator. [SPEAKER CHANGES] But she’s a Girl Scout sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. Real quick. I was reflecting earlier and thank God myself, Hise, Ford or Tucker weren’t choking because I don’t think the little girl could’ve reached around us. That being said, we need to take about a, oh, I don’t know, 20 minute recess if we could and we’d like to take this recess subject to the standard stipulations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate will stand in recess until 10 minutes until 3. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Republicans will caucus during the recess. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Senator. Senate will stand in recess until 10 minutes until 3. We’re in recess. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Messages from the House. Mr. President, pursuant to the information that your honorable body failed to concur in Senate Bill 20, House Committee Substitute, 5th edition, a bill to be entitled an act to update the reference to the Internal Revenue Code to decouple from certain provisions of the Federal Tax Increase Prevention Act of 2014, to modify the motor fuels tax rate and to make certain reductions within the Department of Transportation for the 2014-2015 fiscal year and request conferees. Speaker T. Moor has appointed Representative Brawley, Chair, Representative Hager, Representative Lewis, Representative Saine, Representative Torbett, Representative Shepherd and appointed the House of Representatives to confer with a like committee appointed by the Senate to the end that the difference arising may be resolved successfully. Denise Weeks, Principal Clerk. A Senatorial Statement recognizing Bill Styles lifesaving medal of honor recipient, whereas the Girl Scouts of USA awards the lifesaving medal of honor to girl scouts between the ages of 5 and 15 for saving or attempting to save a life under circumstances that indicate heroism and [??] in May of 2014 two girl scouts from North Carolina received the lifesaving medal of honor award and whereas Erin Olmo of Holly Springs while working at a fast food restaurant saved a customer who was choking and whereas Grace Tharington of Bunn rescued her

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?? of Congress. Now the politicians will argue that running at-large is fair and gives everyone a voice. But both, I might point out both Republican- and Democrat-controlled boards have lacked the political strength to fix this problem. The most recent election proves that the current system we have in Wake County ignores our small towns and, most importantly, it ignores the will of the people. It does so by denying communities the power to choose their local officials. For example, Fuquay-Varina Commissioner Matt Calabria now represents a district that voted to elect his opponent in the 2014 election. His race was boosted by heavy turnout, voter turnout inside the Raleigh city limits. Calabria won his race countywide by a wide margin. But he lost his own district by nearly five points, or twenty-four hundred votes, and so lost the people of Apex, Holly Springs, Fuquay-Varina, and Garner, which I also represent part of. The bill ensures that this justice will no longer occur. Under my bill, if a county commissioner candidate receives the most votes in the district in which they run, then they will represent that district. In fact, those that are opposed to increasing representation for Wake County citizens have heralded their districts as proof that everyone in the county has a real voice. But how can that be true if communities such as Apex, Holly Springs, Fuquay-Varina, and Garner don't have the power to elect their local officials? The fact that local districts are represented by a person the majority of citizens in their district rejected proves just how flawed the current system has become, and proves furthermore that the deck is stacked against most of Wake County's small towns and communities. This is why we don't elect the legislature by popular statewide vote, as some opponents have argued that we do. I also represent another county, Franklin County. Franklin's population is roughly sixty thousand people. It's about nine-hundred and forty thousand less than Wake. They have seven county commissioners, five who are in residential districts, and two that run at-large, similar to what I am proposing. Wake County has one million people and seven members on their board. Our county commissioners run to represent more people than the governor of the state of Delaware. Meanwhile, citizens get lost in the numbers. The current election process is unjust, and we need to fix it. This bill does that. Representation is strongest when it is closest to the people. We feel the most disconnect between presidents, U.S. senators, and governors because they are elected at-large. The county commission is a local office, but there is nothing local about running to represent one million people. I urge you to support this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill and then offer an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment I will be offering is to give the one million residents of Wake County the right to determine whether this redistricting plan is in fact in the public's interest, as opposed to a particular political party's interest. The current map that's governed Wake County for the last two elections is a legitimate map. It was drawn by a Republican county commission in 2011, granted that authority by a Republican-controlled general assembly. County commissioners ran on those maps in 2012, and the Republicans maintained the majority at that point. Republican county commissioners then ran on those maps in 2014, and they lost every single seat. They didn't lose because the map was unfair. Every single person in the county of Wake got to vote. They lost because they lost touch with the voters, and frankly, treated their fellow commissioners disrespectfully and in a manner unfitting of the office. The current representatives of the people of Wake County, those who were properly and democratically elected, have spoken. They issued a resolution two days ago, telling this body to keep their hands off the local government of Wake County. So we have a county commission that drew the district map four years ago. Today's county commission opposes this effort. The fact, really, that one was Republican and one

[SPEAKER CHANGES] One is Democratic is immaterial. What's relevant is that they are the proper representatives of the people of Wake County. Not this body. For this body to interject itself into the manner in which the people of Wake County organizes its own government is frankly illegitimate. The head of the John Locke Foundation, conservative organization recently wrote the following, "Conservatives believe that fiscal and policy decisions ought to be made as close to local communities as necessary. The local communities ought to decide the policy decisions that affect their lives." Do you believe that? I do. That's why I will shortly offer an amendment to allow the people of Wake County to have the ultimate word by allowing them to ratify this bill, this proposal with a referendum. Let the people of Wake County vote. If you refuse to respect the duly elected representatives of the people of Wake County, as this bill does, surely you will not disrespect the one million residents of this county by denying them the opportunity to vote yes or no. To the 45 of you who do not live in or represent Wake County, this amendment gives you what you need to vote for this bill in good conscience because you will let the affected residents have the final word. To the five of us who live in and represent Wake County, if you honestly believe this plan is brilliant and in the public interest as opposed to your own party's interest, you have nothing to fear. Do you have something to fear by letting the people vote? Have confidence in yourself and faith in the people. Let the voters ratify this plan with the referendum. A bedrock American value is self-determination. It's why our ancestors abandoned the crown to declare their independence. Self-determination. If you share this value, you can't pick and choose when it is applied, particularly depending on which political party is in control of a particular political body. If you share this value, then you allow this body to vote on this amendment, which is purely about self-determination. If you share this value, you will not offer up some procedural trick to keep this amendment from being voted on. You will vote this amendment and you will give the people of Wake County the opportunity to have final word, and in the process you will demonstrate a basic, fundamental American value--that of self-determination. Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You're right to send forward an amendment. I'm sorry I forgot to send it up earlier. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You can send forward your amendment. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein moves to amend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein's recognized to speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I've already explained what the amendment does. It doesn't change the plan in any way. You have the same map, the same proposal for super districts, partisan districts. It just lets the people of Wake County, the one million residents, the people whose lives will be affected by this decision to have the final word. I welcome your vote for this bill, for this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, a motion please? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President I move that Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 181 do lay upon the table. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I second the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We have the motion that lay upon the table, it's been seconded, it's non-debatable. We'll have one electronic vote. The question before the Senate is the motion to table Amendment 1. All in favor will vote aye, opposed will vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. Clerk will record the vote. 30 having voted in the affirmative and 17 in the negative, Amendment 1 lays upon the table. The bill unamended is back before the body. Senator Stein, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER [CHANGES] To debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein has the floor to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. Members, we've heard a number of justifications for this legislation. I want to examine them in turn.

First we heard that the people of Wake County will get to vote for more representatives under this bill. That is not true. If this bill becomes law yes, there will be more county commissioners, 9 instead of 7, but under the current law every member of Wake County gets to elect all 7 commissioners. Under this proposal you get to vote for your one district member and one superdistrict member. That’s 2 commissioners. 2 is less than 7. This bill will disenfranchise the people of Wake County. Second, we heard that the people of Wake County get to vote for 2 at large representatives. This too is untrue. Under current law all commissioners are at large which means they’re elected by the entire jurisdiction which in this case is the county. Running at large ensures that the commissioners have the interest of the entire county, the whole county, when carrying out their duties. Running countywide serves to moderate the commissioners of both parties. If the republicans get too extreme, the voters will kick them out. If the democrats get too extreme, the voters will kick them out and that’s exactly what the people of Wake County have done. Over the last 20 years republicans have held the majority for 12 years, democrats for 8. Under this bill not a single member of the 9 will be elected countywide. Instead we’ll have 2 superdistricts, one a donut and the other the ugliest munchkin I’ve ever seen. That’s what the black line is. These are purely partisan districts. It is guaranteed that one will be a democrat the other will be a republican. Why is that a problem? Because those members will not have the interest of the entire county in mind, they will only have the interest of their electoral base. They will not seek compromise. They will not seek common ground. They will seek to pursue partisan agendas. Third, we were assured that under this new plan, we heard it again today, that the people of Eastern Wake County and the suburban parts of the county will get more representation. This is untrue. Districts cannot guarantee that any town has the representative on the commission unless the district is drawn exclusively from that town. This map doesn’t do that. You can’t do that. There are 12 jurisdictions but there’s only 7 districts. In fact, it makes the situation potentially worse. Under this plan all but 1 of the 9 districts overlays the city of Raleigh, so we can have a situation where 8 of the 9 members of this new County Commission hail from the city of Raleigh. Is that what you want? Look at this map. Look at this pink monstrosity. It goes from the far left which is Briar Creek, that’s Angus Barn and the airport for those of you that need a little grounding, it goes up by Fallsway, circles to the right, to the east, picks up Rollsville, then it goes down, picks up Wendell and Zebulon before ending up down here in Garner. There is nothing in this map that guarantees the people of Wendell or Zebulon will have any representation. They may be represented by somebody who lives right beside the airport on the entire other side of the county. At least have your map achieve the objectives you state you care about. That’s how districts work. Every resident in a district has an equal right to run for that seat. That’s why Franklin County does not have a single Senator representing Franklin County here in this chamber. They’re represented by a senator that lives in Wake County. He’s one of five wake county residents. Surely you all do not believe that the people of Franklin County are disenfranchised and not well represented by Senator Chad Barefoot. Fourth and finally, we were told this new map will result in cheaper elections, less expensive. Maybe. Maybe. But there’s no direct correlation between the size of the election and its expense. In 2014 the county commissions ran county wide, jurisdiction 1 million people, they spent on average $110,000. Senator Barefoot ran in the district of 200,000 people and spent $1.2 million. He spent 10 times as much on average as the average county commissioner

DWIEVB [0:00:00.0] …Any district that is one-fifth the population, smaller does not necessarily mean cheaper, if these justifications don’t hold up then what’s going on with this bill? The Bill Sponsor was quoted in the newspaper and saying the discussion or something going on among members of the Wake delegation for quite sometime. And they were all working on the details together that’s rich, very rich, a Wake delegation meets every week, we have been discussing local bills for last month not once was this local bill put forward in front of our delegation, he may have consulted with Senator Barringer and Senator Alexander, they may have their but he didn’t have the respect for either Senator Blue or me to talk to us about this bill, the first we heard about it was when it was introduced I mean one or two hours before it had it’s first committee meeting. Senator Blue is the only delegate members that have been elected both county wide and then the same and then the district. Senator Blue has served in this institution for 32 years; he knows more about redistricting than any person, Senator ?? maybe now stand then any other member in this illustrious body. Meanwhile the Bill Sponsor, he just completed his first term that’s not to say his idea was with value or our ideas was with value, every member served the same number of constituents, all our ideas are worthy… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein let’s keep your march to the bill specifically please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is entirely on point now I will continue to do Sir. It is to say that there is value and deliberation and consultation because none of us has a monopoly on the truth or wisdom. This legislation is been developed through a table process and as a result is a bad bill. Had the Bill Sponsors engaged either Senator Blue or me, we could have potentially come up with the said solution that we all agreed upon to achieve his stated objectives if they are in fact sincere. One possible solution would be to keep the current districts for district based elections and lay on top of them for at large Representatives. The current districts are superior to these districts because they have legitimacy as I stated earlier, they both been creative endorse by the County Commission, they are substantially more compact which means that they will meet more commonality of interest by the residents in those districts, I ask staff to compare these districts with the current districts, and you can put that analysis on the dashboard it’s up there for your consideration. What it shows is that by every measure of compactness the current map is superior, substantially superior than this proposed map. Furthermore, the current map doesn’t split a single precinct to the entire county, this proposal splits 21, splitting precincts creates confusion among voters and has cost to the county. Look at the proposed map, look at the…Actually put forward on the dashboard if you would please the current map, I don’t know what that looks like, this is the current map. If you look at it… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Stein one second for refresh, okay map is up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, thank you very much Mr. President, I appreciate that. So this is the current map it’s all entirely rational, irrelatively compact you see guys one in North-West, we got one in North-East, South-East, Central and a couple on the western side of the county. You compare it to this map which frankly looks like a map that I would have drawn in kindergarten with a crown too many girls scout cookies, Senator Barringer. If add four at large, those four members will consider the interest of the whole county and this is important every member, every citizen in Wake County elect five Representatives, their district Representative and four at large under the current map as we have already said, you only get to vote for two of course under current law you get to vote for seven. Now, this proposal I just said may or may not be a good one, may not be the best one but if we had a conversation perhaps we could have come up with a decent idea that all of us could have gone behind and we wouldn’t have return this into a partisan battle but the Bill Sponsor didn’t do this and that he did not I think is telling and troubling. This bill has the potential through exact real cost on Wake County, it insults the one million residents of Wake County whose votes in the last election are being nullified by legislative… [0:05:00.4] [End of file…]

YRXUXL [0:00:00.0] In his opinions of being ignored because of the last vote you all passed because you deny the opportunity to way in with the referendum to determine whether this gentleman has a good idea or not. They result in worst more divisive, narrow minded, more partisan governance overtime that is not in the long-term interest of our county both politically and economically. But if your goal is purely instrumental if you only care about the income and outcomes, yeah it’s true, this will result in more republican county commissioners. You can’t do this, you have the votes, you have the power, and we all know it. The question is whether you have the wisdom, the restraint, the respect for the people of Wake County, the statesmanship to not do it even though you can; I surely hope we vote down this bill, thank you Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot for what purpose you raise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Many of the very arguments the Senator Stein is making against this plan apply to our districts that apply to this body, the very criticisms that he’s leveling against the way I’m proposing to organize Wake County’s elections are the very ones that we use to come here. So if you think it’s a good idea that someone in Ashville has a vote in your ways, from your area. Well, then listen to Senator Stein, our small towns do not have a voice I mean understand why Senator Stein is passionately arguing this bill and quite frankly attacking me personally. Five of the County Commissioners live in his town; none of them live in my Senate district. The maps that have been shown to you, the reason why we didn’t use them because they are illegal, the geographic districts they are not election districts, they would violate the standards of one person one vote. Surely, you are not suggesting that Senator Stein. What we did was we put in place and we did not draw the maps in this building, we are still leaving that up to the County Commissioners which by the way I would add in Wake County, I have only had that power for a few years. So from nearly 1920s it’s been this body that is decided how elections have been run in Wake County. So we are leaving that to them but we have to go, we have to put them in election districts and this body voted on these maps two years ago and they have been upheld by the courts, this is saving us time, this saving us money, and it’s putting the Wake County Commission on a path towards being fair and legal, thanks. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Blue for what purpose you raise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yell? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot you yell for question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot, you are trying to analyze these two super districts, I noticed that the super district that has Raleigh, a good question of ?? parts of Knightdale, parts of Wendell and I think maybe even parts of Lakefest and last bill in it has a population deviation of 4.98 from the ideal population, is that correct if you would look at this…? [SPEAKER CHANGES] What day gentleman ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’m looking at the top page it’s says District and 2010 population, ideal population and then it shows the deviation for the super district. There are two packs one is showing for the ?? districts and another one showing for the two super districts. Page 109 is what I’m looking at, it’s the material that was speculate to me. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have got it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You see what I’m talking about? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It says that district one which is a district that encompasses not all but a push in the valley and these are their five towns that I just mentioned that it has a deviation of plus 4.90%, you see where I’m now? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And I look at the district 2 which is the outside of the mark around… [0:05:00.3] [End of file…]

And his assistant and on the economic necessity has a population of the national anthem and step than ideal yes and no question that would have and senate, since it was are questioning the answer in the first the first pass and read into that his hand as an act of-intent of us and we're passing out petitions of desert life and is as & having the hands of the panache and the promise of a 6 inch above the spot price hikes symbol in what's happening is that this body has already voted on these maps the purpose of this bill is not to open up the line drawing process we do not have this is the all these are the only goal action districts that are currently on the books 49 members of a county body of right now (SPEAKER CHANGES) it's a rather than go to the process we just what this bill Dallas is a boat speed increases the county commission from 7 to 10 in the posters nine people in the existing collector and election districts all this trouble or these maps the stats are all that comes from the school board build it was past two years ago about this body and has been upheld by the courts no question that as a center of gravity oh yes I have as defense and that the commission-cents a day each session of the legislature passes to find legislation and have the capability to fix it so they can have this as 10% of the nation in the population is present but the best sense is that the county commissioners are gonna have the ability of to fix what ever them not to after the next census we don't have the correct numbers are misleading the new senses center 1 to 5 and quick fix it if you're trying to do affects right now we are five yourself in the last since it's our staff does not have the numbers you could not get a fair fix this is as close as we can get to that as (SPEAKER CHANGES) I would recommend sticking with this plan and letting the county commissioners facts and after the next sentence never questioned the spurs server video notes and Scott and doesn't run from the same information was available because it's based on the content centers but & for purposes of a time, some districts outside the district will have the capability of 6 .. thank them actions under this plan would ban them actions that have population that was closer to the idea and 10% of the nation in this plan on the cost of fixing the system have the ability and talent fixed spurs and the promise of this bill is to put away county commission on the path to increasing their representation which might have neither republicans nor democrats control bodies have been willing to do the second thing that it does is it puts it changes them from geographic residential districts to residential all luncheon districts that is what the basil(SPEAKER CHANGES) we're seeking to do with this bill and the county commission can readjust their lawns after the 2020¢ and its present size of the senate as it prepares us because of the senate has passed for speaking about what I look at what's going on here and we can be the first thing comes to my mind if it is not well why we try to fix one thing we know that we can use that as the political winds blow sometimes a republican majority sometimes evil and predatory it's gone back and forth over the years that's the way the political process should work is not null we'd all be to be tampering weekends business we shouldn't be trying to fix something that is what-all I do about snow has been represented away county board of commissioners of the time they deal with that of this last election cycle was evacuated by Mr. Joe Bryant summertime programs are honest with Wesley unless a second occasion to questions sent us a deal out of the center of forgot what is to be living I haven't used in district 20 which is comprised of the middle 10-acre of the Semitism was contending....

Of course that reminds us of all that this is legislation that we are voting on electively. It needs to be good public policy. It needs to be thought through, because what we are doing now in Granville county and what we need to do later today in Greensboro would be the same type of maneuvers that could be done in a town or a community throughout the state, in any county whatsoever. And what we are doing in ?? county is changing the fundamental political landscape. Rather than letting the entire population that’s eligible to vote, cast vote upon the candidate of choice, whoever that may happen to be. democrat or republican. We are basically telling them now that rather than voting on seven, we are increasing the district to nine but you can only vote for two. The only purpose and reason for changing it to basically assure that the political landscape will predictably reliably and consistently elect equivalently of five republicans and four democrats based on the characteristics and performances of these districts. If you look at the performance and characteristics, we find that district 3, district 4, district 5 predictably reliable democratic districts. We look at district 1, 2, 6 and 7. They will perform as republican districts. That changes the fundamental political landscape of this county. Why not let everybody cast their vote democratically based upon a candidate of choice. As I mentioned earlier, ?? Brian, he was the mayor of Nightdel, count on the ?? of this county. He went on and he got elected to the county commissioners, having served as the mayor of nightdel. And he served as the security men of the county board of elections. Excuse me, county board of commissioners. We know that there will be republicans elected from small towns and communities. We know that people like Paul Kobo, who served on the rally city council, who likewise to went on served as the mayor or Rally, served as commissioner. [change of speaker] Mr President, sir [??]. [Change of speaker] I will. [Change of speaker]. Mr ??, I’m just sitting here on the Granville county board of commissioners of North Carolina, and I see that they have each board members selected five districts, and the individual candidate must live in their district. Are you opposed to this? Are you gonna be running a bill to make them running at large? [Change of speaker] I’ve not had anyone from Gramble county approach about changing their districts. There’s not been a member of county commissioners, nor any member of the town councils that I served, ??, Butner, Creedmoor, Oxford, no member of the chamber of commerce, no member of any local political group that has come to me asking me to reconsider changing the voting district in Granville county. Would they to do so, I would’ve listened attentively to their request. I would not try to impose my own judgement out of a sense of superiority upon what they should look like and try to change their political landscape at a manner of resulting jury mandarin a county which has voting districts that perform as they should perform. In Dorum, I served as city council there, half the members were voted on at large. The other half had to live within the district that they were voted on by the entire population. Admit that there was geographic representation but more importantly every person serving on that town council was accountable of the entire population that voted for them throughout the entire city. And Dorum county has worked in that way, in terms of there being at large for voting for those commissioners. So I do believe that unless there is a compelling reason to sit back and rethink what’s going on in Wayne County, a compelling reason to try to change the political landscape to create an impression upon them with voting districts that were predictably and consistently reliably always predict to believe to vote people of certain party. That’s the wrong thing to do. There is no reason to create this political imbalance. What if they were to be able to cast their votes of their candidates of choice, you might see a consistently different outcome. We have people that would be triple bumped in Wayne County. The cost of the way that these districts have gone. I simply say to you, that if it’s not vote, we don’t need to fix it. We don’t need to temper in these communities when they are not calling upon us to.

JEDHWS [0:00:00.0] …Come up with a solution and when we do try to grab solutions we can work reasonably, cooperatively across party lines to try to read some type of consensus that everybody can by into if that myth creating two extra districts that wouldn’t cover a periphery in this county and perhaps that might have been a solution to the problem but certainly the democratic thing to do if you believe this plan is what the people of Wake County want is to allow a referendum and to allow them to speak. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any further discussion or debate, Senator Barefoot for what purpose you raise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak at second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot has the floor to speak second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members I would think that the reason why Senator McKissick is not heard from Granville County is because they really enjoy their seven single member districts they have there. And I remember last session partnering with the Senator to override the will of the Durham City Council on a good bill that was for you. Mr. President at the appropriate time I want to object the third reading because I wanna make sure we have enough time as we can debate this bill, we have had two public forums and a great opportunity for the citizens who come to our Wake delegation meeting and voice their opinions on this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Senator, any further discussion or debate? Senator Blue, for what purpose you raise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Blue has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much Mr. President and ladies and gentleman and the Senate, I learned when I was in the second grade that just because you can do something it doesn’t mean you ought to do it. I had 10 to 12 first cousin boys who are older than I’m and I knew I can pick on anybody and I would have somebody who would cover me when somebody wanted to beat me out. So that tends to make you a little aggressive but the fundamental lesson that my mother taught me is just because you can do something it doesn’t mean you ought to do it. And I tell you what you have to think about this bill, sometimes it might be right, sometimes it might be wrong but you ought to think about what it does to you and then think about what it does to the people that you are doing it to because it has to do something to you if that negatively affects any other human being. So I would ask you to think about it later, I remember a quote from the famous Irish political philosopher Edmund Burke who is the Founder at least he is the founder philosophically of the Modern Conservative Movement and one of the things that I like genuine conservatives and I like the ideas because I’m not conservative on that level, and I try to choose the best ideas regardless of what the source is, and I found that if it’s an engaging idea I move further down the road to a truth if incorporated in to what my beliefs are. But Burke said, “I believe this to the marrow of my bones that the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.” Sort of not take a stand and do something when you see something bad really happening. Now, I think that this bill does evil to Wake County but not just Wake County to North Carolina because what it does in the first place it chips away this idea that so many of us awaited to, this total idea of what democracy is, what representative democracy is, it is choice of the people within and whatever the political unit is, if you are in ancient Greece it was every citizen of Greece who come to ask this vote. If you are in Wake County it would be every citizen of Wake County, if you are in North Carolina it would be every citizen of North Carolina. And we have people smart enough to devise a system so that you had some checks and balances on all of these decisions, you can have direct democracy almost at the county level even if you have a million people. But for thing that you got to understand is no checks and balances built in the local government… [0:05:00.3] [End of file…]

FXACXP [0:00:00.0] North Carolina, the commissioners are elected by the people, there is no Governor to preside, and there is no separate judiciary to keep them straight. So the people or the ones who have all the power and when you believe that government closest to the people is the best government, a pretty good conservative principle then you understand that the people of Wake County ought to be able to determine what kind government they want and what it’s make a part of be. Now, we as a legislature ought to give them broad direction and that’s traditionally what we have done in this area. We move to your cities, you can organize this way, you pick the way that you can organize to this way and we will put it in your chart. And we tell your counties you can do certain things, you pick which ones but this is how we are limiting you, we don’t come down and make the individual decisions for the counties and citizens at least historically we haven’t. What we have here? And this is what disturbing because it really offense basic concepts of democracy is one person thinks that he has a better idea than the million people in Wake County and the five to seven people that those million people elected to determine how they ought to government their face. So another ?? as you represent 140,000 people in Wake County were these commissioners each of them represents a million people and that means every person in this county and it happened to me can call either one of these commissioners don’t have to find out where do you live, when you get call these legislators you wanna know whose district you live in sometimes before you do constituent service, these folk have to appeal to everybody. Now, let me tell you this I have been around for a while and I was one of those who insisted that the power to govern themselves be given to the Wake County Commission because when I got you the legislature was appointing, it was rather basically re-districting the Wake County Commissioners. And I will tell you there were republicans on the Wake County Board, I think Jerry ?? may have been Chair or Republican House Member now. There were republicans on the board and democrats on the board, and my position was if we were smart enough to redistrict ourselves than then ought to be smart enough to redistrict themselves. And we gave them the power to redistrict themselves, thinking that they go about to do it in a way that would make everybody satisfied and over the 20 years they have done it, 15 to 20 years as Senator Stein pointed out there have been republican majorities, democratic majorities, we have even had a county board that would have a republican chair and a democrat chair or vice-versa. Now, we are not like a lot of other counties and you might wonder what—the reason that Wake County didn’t break down into individual districts is because the overwhelming majority of the people in this county appreciated the system that we had, we are not like some of the counties, we did not have to create a black district as many of the other counties so that’s why Barnwell County elects in specific districts now and that’s why some of your counties do. So Wake County is resolving its problem internally, didn’t have to create a majority-minority district, it never has, Wake County had continues minority representation on it’s board since 1972, 1972, had multiple African-American chairs of the board, at times it had more than one African-American on the seven member board, it does now, it did in the 90s, in that way the republican majorities, democratic majorities because the county is the cumulative wisdom that it is developed over the years. Now, I tell you there have been some hard choices in this county that could not have been made and we had people elected from districts. We had a prepared food and ?? tax, ?? got the both of their tax after we build the, now the PNC used to be the RBC the arena and after we did the improvements to memorial auditorium, by the way under republican administration for the city and the county at the same time who agreed how to spend the proceeds but you know by the same token decided that it was only fair to bill facilities throughout the county and in fact just made a special grant to Holly Springs outside their rules because they think at that… [0:05:00.4] [End of file…]

The county needed greater funds and resources. This county has worked very well. This county is one of the fastest growing in the country, has two of the fastest growing cities, Raleigh and Carey. Each has had unaffiliated or independent mayors. The mayor of Raleigh is not a democrat and not a republican, she’s unaffiliated. And I want to point out one other thing because when you’re overturning the results of this election, again, it reminds me of Mr. Putin or better still, I was in Zimbabwe 10-15 years ago and I was reminded so much of Mr. Mcarthy, the president who lost the election and then decided well, I don’t like the results of this. I’ll just overturn the election. Folks, we’re much more mature and much more sophistocated and much more democratically grounded than that, so I would say that if you look at the results of this election, let me tell you something republicans, the result of the 2014 election that elected all of these folk you see from Raleigh. The result before them elected people from these other areas because that’s what the people of this county wanted. The people of this county turned the county commissioners out for two prime reasons. They didn’t feel that they were investing sufficiently in the education of the kids of this county and they didn’t feel that they were wrestling with the transportation issues that this rapidly growing county was experiencing and they turned them out and voted for people who had promised them that they would address those issues, but let me tell you what they did at the same time. The sheriff of Wake County is a republican. Got the highest vote of any other vote getter in the county, the highest vote of any other vote getter. The Clerk of Court is a republican. Won the at large race that you’re hearing complained about with these county commissioners. The Register of Deeds is a republican in Wake County, so three out of the four constitutional offices with the District Attorney being the other are held by republicans in this county and you’re coming to store into this and introduce this element of politics and partisanship into the way this county operates. It’s unfair if the folk of this county, again, 12 years republican leadership, 8 years democratic leadership on the board addressing all the issues in front of us, if the people of this county have decided how best to do it, it’s unfair. Now, I’ll tell you two other points and I want to sit down. This does reduce this county’s ability, a very vibrant, rapidly growing, rapidly near sophisticated county’s ability to address these needs that many of us even understand what they’ll be to deal with the issues. And we have no way of forcing a broad view. Again, we don’t have a mirror of Wake County. You’re electing people in districts that are designed to take into account these two superdistricts, the issues within the superdistricts and not care about what happens in the other part of the county and I think we end up putting false hope into the way that we change this because Senator Stine indicated that I represent these rural towns too. I represent Nightdale, a piece of Wendell, I used to have Wake Forest and Rosedale in my senate district and I think I gave them pretty good service. They always voted for me pretty heavily in those precincts, but what I will tell you, the thing that offends me about this map more than anything else my friends is the fact that we introduce the element of race into redistricting in this county in 2015. You know, we started out the 20th century with WD Dubois saying it could be the issue that defined the 20th century and I spent half of the 20th century growing up and being an adult and the thing that I was hoping that we would get away from in the 21st century is having to use race to define anything. So what do we do in this map? We draw a black district. 53-54% majority minority. Haven’t been forced to do that. We did it with the school board. I voted against it and I pointed out the very same thing and, you know, we didn’t have to do that and we ought not do it in 2015. Hopefully at some point we

Get away from considering race in any of the deliberations that we have to make. Note, these young people in this room have a different attitude then some of us then some of the folks we grew up with. But hopefully we can mature enough to say okay if we're going to split Wake county let's just fair it up and split it into seven districts and let's not regard race. There's nothing in the case law that requires you do that for Wake county there is nothing that I see anywhere. Now contrary to how senator Barefoot said there was a lawsuit brought against the board districts the judge dismissed it the first circuit court of appeals has reviewed it has heard all arguments they have not ruled on it on narrow issues. The issue of whether or not you have to draw minority districts in this county has not been litigated. And we ought not give the court it's first responsibility to do that when it's not necessary. So that's why I think that Mr. ?? had the right idea because he knew that evil things happen when people who know better don't step forward and do something about it. And I hope you'll step forward and help us do something about this I told senator Barefoot and I'll tell you as members I will work diligently day and night even miss the ACC tournament to come up with a plan that makes sense geographically that ensures that the people of Wake county feel as if they have some input. Democrats, Republicans or any other description you want to put on them. And that they're not having something shoved down their throats. You know this bill was introduced last Thursday Wednesday or Thursday and people ?? some folk to come speak. But the county has not had a chance to digest it, have hearings on it, talk about it and really come up with the kind of plan that's good for Wake county. I would hope that you would give us the benefit and courtesy of letting our people have a say in what kind of districts they want. Some of the witnesses that I listen to JT Knight was a good friend of mine I read an article, he's a republican, I supported him when he ran for county commissioner he's chair of our board of county commissioners. Helped elect the first black person to the board of county commissioners. And I want to see why he thinks that being in Windale he can be represented better by someone from the airport. Because he's pretty satisfied when I represented him. And so I ask you to give us a chance to come up with a map that makes sense for this county your not just doing it for political reasons this map will have serious effects on how Wake county is able to move forward in the future whether it's the kind of industries we have to recruit, whether it's the kind of training we have to do, whether it's transportation we have to put in place. So I would ask you to vote against this map and Mr. President I'd like at the appropriate time to call for the aye's and no's by recorded vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you senator and I think we are going to object to third reading today anyway so we'll get to that in just a second. But any further discussion or debate? Senator Apodaca for what reason do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President speak on the bill please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President, members. Times like this I'm struck again by the loss of our dear friend from Buncombe county senator Nesbith. But I'm also reminded when we had the Buncombe county maps up I heard many of the same arguments I'm hearing today about dividing an area into districts how unfair it was how this and that. Well in Buncombe county what it did was give a voice to the county or give the citizens of the county a voice in districts. But I was struck today and senator Stein was quoting that newspaper I want to read something to ya from the Ashville Citizen Times now I don't recommend to children that you all read this paper but I just happened to this time. I think in some ways the redistricting in Buncombe county has worked out well. But it doesn't change the fact that it was imposed on the county that wasn't asking for it, Turner said. Turner's a newly elected freshman Democrat representative. And he thought these districts worked out well for Buncombe. And he's exactly right it's given the folks in the county a voice in their county government. Now what we're really talkin about here, let's get back down to it, we're talking about rural versus city. And as we grow we see what the cities do. They take over everything. And senator Blue brought out some very

They said was an event of a show off within an 80 countywide it as a scientist and county would have about the lighting district representatives did signs that despite the many different from a form of government I encourage you to vote for this bill before the discussion by your non question for the senate is the bass and do something simple 181 on a second reading all the remote client was born 05 seconds Voting record annual route to merit and McKesson am hearing from the 46 having voted in the affirmative and 15 in the negative growth of two senate bill 181 passes affecting reading center Blair (SPEAKER CHANGES)subjected to bury it will remain on the counter says moving on to senate bill 30¢ before pouring safety of 36 billing the City Council came to center weight is recognized me to the bank vice president this level below brain is desperately needed geographic diversity to the city's Greensboro City council which is comprised of a group of members isolated to nicely one neighborhood without council members living within a 2 mile radius currently the vast majority of greensboro's neighborhoods black representation as someone who truly understands their individual community needs defensively than these other areas also work hard and pay taxes yet they have no local voice on the City Council in his past and for our City Council to represent all that of Greensboro rather than just a few privileged areas ads from across the political spectrum support this deal the CDC was originally brought to (SPEAKER CHANGES) my attention by constituents in several members of the business community and until they can size will represent our current City Council and the level planes from NAACP issued a press release in support of this deal because it will ensure neighborhoods in predominantly minority communities to filing the same fed up with a sensation magnanimous they this deal this night live at the date of planes from incidents and elected officials who has spoken against this deal and a personal vested interest in preserving the status quo and that's because they want to keep the aisle of the City Council seats in their own backyards what is billed as it is currently fancy council members can win a single district the Burrell and eighths at loge seats in favor of community banks districts that will increase accountability to vendors placing strongly split to balance population unlocks the district and establishes districts with smaller populations that were buying representation closest to the people and make a council member's Mount Diablo to the constituents they serve it encourages the people to treat their mayor as the (SPEAKER CHANGES)chief executive officer and council members as a policy makers it extends terms from two years to seven years providing stability that I never said a policy direction and run on time and miles after the system so that many other cities and our state's and the districts were drawn to comply with Federal and state constitutional requirements including many nights at eye as he did to support the spiel and to discussion of a list price in Robles and for purpose to rise to ask the bill's sponsors some questions of its first questions and radio yes I did Senator Wayne can see that one of the senate's designer Edith city.........

DYTSDQ [0:00:00.0] …Ask you about communities of interest and I don’t think you are able to address it but I assume you have an opportunity by now to research those questions. So here we go, do you agree that recognizing and preserving communities of interest is an important traditional criteria in redistrict and just add to that you live in James Town and communities of interest were important in preserving redistrict in there? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, first of all Senator I don’t live in James Town, I live in Greensboro and I think you are missing the point here this will give a 100% of people that live in Greensboro representation of someone in a district who knows their needs. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator do you yell for follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do you agree that in your map specifically communities of interest around Bennett College, around North Carolina State University, around Guildford College, and around UNCG have been split up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator I agree it establish districts with smaller populations that will bring representation closer to the people and make their council members more accountable to them. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is that a yes or no? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s Senator there are smaller districts which make them more accountable to the people regardless of where they live, they are on the district they can reach their council first. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Wade do you yell for the third question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’m sorry, you are President not Chair. I apologize for that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yeah, she yells Senator, you are up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question, the districts in Senate Bill 36 are less compact than the single districts and the current system therefore split precincts I believe where as a current district, current plan has no split precincts. So what interest coming up with the redistrict and plan that splits precincts and where you are not able to design a plan that would not have split precincts? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator when you go from five districts to seven the population is the smaller amount of people in one district. Therefore, there are going to have to be some split districts when you comply with Federal and State norms. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A follow up question Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Wade do you yell? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, we know that the city council is non-partisan. However, in your plan council members who are democrats are treated differently than council members who are republicans I note that no two incumbents, no incumbents who are republicans pair it. So can you give me a reason why so many incumbents who are register democrats are doubled or tripled? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator when the districts were drawn for an equal representation I can’t control where the council members live and the fact that five of them are living the same lady as the two miles, I really control that and that’s the way it falls on the map. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President I would like to continue and opt for an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Robinson you can send forward your amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And while that’s going… [SPEAKER CHANGES] One second Senator we have to read the amendment, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Robinson moves to amend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Robinson is recognized to speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. Senate Bill 36 is a proposed plan by one member of the Guildford County delegation to take away their authority to the City Council and the citizen. Senate Bill 36 means that the current council composed of nine members, three elected at large, five in districts in the Mayor, we all in fact be changed to seven district election with one Mayor. We have heard from the citizens who were here that this take away opportunities but them to decide their own form of government. So this amendment simply does that… [0:05:00.3] [End of file…]

Gives to the citizens of Greensboro the opportunity to say what they wish to have is their form of government and I believe that's a situation across North Carolina. The citizens have said very strongly and the hearings we've had here in Greensboro and everywhere, if you're going to do it, allow us a referendum. And that has been their plea. Greensboro is an open and a fair and a representative government and all they want is the opportunity to voice what they want as their elected form of government. So I ask for your support. That's all this amendment does. Gives the citizens an opportunity. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there any further discussion or debate? Senator Apodaca, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, a motion please? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, I move that Amendment 1 on Senate Bill 36 do lie upon the table. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Second the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The non-debatable motion. We will, question before the Senate is the motion to table Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 36. All in favor vote Aye. Opposed will vote No. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. [PAUSE] Meredith, Harrington, Lee, Berger, Rucho, Daniel, 24 having voted in the affirmative and 17 in the negative, Amendment 1 is tabled. The bill, unamended, is back before the body. Senator Robinson for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Robinson has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Colleagues, Senate Bill 36 was dropped on the doorsteps of Greensborians. And in the mindset of, with the mindset of taking away the rights of citizens to vote. Those of you in the redistricting and those of you who attended the meeting heard them say, “We had no voice. We had no idea this was happening. Even those of us in the Guilford Delegation never had discussion.” Never had discussion about this bill being a possibility. And I think in respect, all of us, regardless of parties, actually respect each other. We ought to respect differences of opinion and be willing to listen to that. And so it should have been the right thing to do for Senator Wade to share this with us at least, and share it with the members of Greensboro. I have here hundreds of signatures, five or six hundred signatures of people in Greensboro. I've received phone calls. A lot of you've received emails. And what they're basically saying is at least let us have a referendum. Who asked the legislation? We didn't. And if you remember, some of you who've been here, you remember a few years ago, this happened with County Commissioners, that we thought were going to have a referendum and I thought I had some kind of agreement going there. Fooled me. And then again with the school board. Well, this legislation means, and it may mean for some of you, that the citizens of Greensboro will not have an opportunity to determine their form of government for the next few years. So, why we ask, is Greensboro being singled out? Of course we learn we aren't singled. [LAUGHTER] It's not really funny. But we heard at a town hall meeting on February 19 from hundreds of citizens, even about a hundred stood outside of the city council hall and couldn't get in. But everyone except for about four said, “We don't want this. We didn't ask for it.” Why is Raleigh interfering in local government? And I think we heard that from the Governor the other day. All they were asking for was an opportunity to decide their form of government. Now we're elected by the people. But the people have the right to speak. And we don't have the right to take that from them. No matter who elects us, we do not have the right to take the people's voice away. Now Senator Wade said to me, “Senator Robinson, you like this because it's going to help the Black community!” Well, colleagues, the reason I'm in the district

Is Senator Rucho in here to hear this cause he says Senator Robinson, that district needs to be about 75% to make sure you all have a representative, so I’m that person and I think I do a pretty good job of representing 75% of the people who are African-American in my district. Now Senator Wade just mentioned to you that the NACP voted to support. Well, that’s another kind of trickery because yesterday if you were in redistricting committee you heard from [??] Vice President of the state NACP, called the North Carolina Conference of NACP. That local group, and let me tell you this was a small group because I’m a life member, an active member of the NACP in Greensboro, but a small group decided that they would do that and so the state president has said that the constitution says that no local group can support or authorize any kind of legislation. It has to go before a team, their legal team. You don’t have that kind of authority, so what they did was invalid, and you cannot consider that as information for this purpose. A small group of people who came to say or who were corralled to say they support it came down. Instead what you saw was a large group of citizens. You saw ministers, you saw leaders, people from the League of Women Voters, people from the Greensboro Poll [??] black and white, you saw students at colleges. You saw everybody who came down and only four out of hundreds of people said we want that. Now, Senator Wade also said at one of the meetings that she had heard from local businessmen. Now you’ve heard her say that today. The only businessman she mentioned was Roy Carroll. What’s strangely enough today in the media Mr. Carroll who is a well-respected businessman was said he doesn’t support this legislation. I didn’t say that, he did. So Senator Wade, we ask again, who’s asking for this? If the business folks aren’t asking for it now, the citizens don’t want it, why are we doing this? What is it going to benefit? We’re taking away the opportunity for people across Greensboro who now can vote for five elected officials, three at large, their district and the mayor, which means they have a large percentage chance of having an influence in the vote and you go on to decrease that down to one district per city and a mayor who has no vote and an at large person. This makes no sense. Martin Luther King said the measure of a man is not where he stands in times of comfort and convenience, but when he stands in times of challenge and controversy. Looks like we always in controversy down here and I said to Senator Brown the other day it sure would be nice to get to a point where we could work on something together but we keep on knocking our local governments, knocking folk around for no sense. We have plenty of work to do. I challenge you to step to the plate and allow the citizens of my community to have a voice in their formal government. I challenge you not to vote for this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’m reminded of those famous words there we go again. We have brought everything into this but the true facts. The true facts is this is giving what, 7 districts of Guilford County representation in their government. It is not allowing the central part of Greensboro to control everything else for Guilford County. I daresay if Dr. King were alive today he would like to see these 7 districts have a say so in their government since we brought that up, but you know, we can have Vulcans, we can have Martians, we can have whatever in these districts, but this is fair, people. This gives everybody in the county a say so, so as I said earlier

Let’s give the people some representation. Please vote for this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’d like to ask Senator Wade a question since we’ve talked about the voice of the people. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Wade do you yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Was there not a referendum where the voice of the people was spoken on the vote city council districts in the recent past or in the past, I know it’s been a few years ago, was there a referendum? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman, Mr President, Senator Tillman there were several referendums. The referendum, only one that passed for the city of Greensboro was to have a mayor at large and 6 council members elected at large. There was a referendum I believe in 1981 to go to a district system. It failed but the next year the city council voted to put the citizens in a district system. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let me ask you this again so I’m clear. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator would you like to ask a second question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, another question please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Wade do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In that referendum, the voice of the people spoke and now we have districts. How are those districts constituted now and what relationship do they have to the failed referendum? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think they’re very similar to the failed referendum. It was a compromise. The citizens at that time wanted 7 districts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Senator Wade. Speak briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman has the floor to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. The voice of the people was heard and it was rejected in the referendum and now lo and behold we’ve got districts just like that failed referendum. I think the people spoke. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Robinson, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’d like to ask Senator Tillman a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, and I don’t live there but I live I live in a stone’s throw but I know what you’re gonna ask me. I can read your mind. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Good job, Senator Tillman. I just wanna be sure where you live. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Smith-Ingram for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Smith-Ingram has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I was the committee member yesterday who asked about communities of interest. When we look at what the current bill does versus the proposed bill we have the following communities that are broken up. In the current plan UNCG which is precinct 45 and the neighborhood in which many of its students and professors live, precinct 14, are both in district 4. In the proposed SB 36, UNCG students are moved to district 7, I’m sorry, UNCG the school is moved to district 7 while the students and professor neighborhood are assigned to district 6. North Carolina A&T of which Senator Wade and I both attended and received the earlier foundation of our education, in the current composition represents precincts G167 and G168, but in the proposed SB 36 it breaks up the North Carolina A&T community into 3 different precincts, are split among districts 1, 2 and 7. How then are we continuing or preserving communities of interest? Senator Wade you stated earlier that you understand that’s an important traditional criteria to consider in redistricting. It was also said that the people are given a voice and that this is smaller representation. Along with that smaller representation comes a smaller voice. Under the current plan I get to vote, if I were a Greensboro resident, I will get to vote for 55% of the council members. Under the proposed SB 36 I only get to vote for 14%. Do I have a larger voice or a smaller voice? I don’t care how you do the math, 14% is much less than 55% any day of the week regardless of what aisle you’re sitting on. In the current plan Bennett College in its surrounding neighborhood, precincts G69 and G70 are assigned to district 2, along with North Carolina A&T, it’s fellow historically HBCU of which we shared a statement on Monday evening. In SB 36 Bennett College community is split between districts 7 and 1. Finally in the current plan, NE Greensboro MON 1 and MON 2 is assigned to district 2. In SB 36

Sydney symphony since the stands a man to 16 and 30 I have a C hundreds of e-mail owl habitat enhancement technique and a dozen other than 15 as I say the precedents and every one of anonymity to them and 75 my emails I sat through the meetings that was another committee meetings and better than the majority of the residence of Greensboro and not supports this deal it does not have local support at the City Council meeting of the city's very intrusive into local government copy of the acts as a dangerous territory now under the plainspoken I've always been about Cynthia I think many credits for what he is a mind December on December 3 about a month ago that the economy has spent the end of his investments to the back row that the people spoke in the county and they the senate that some important, since the peak of custodians and Hasbro and has said having not be in town council the City Council to the setup , and they receive missing to the people who have spoken and beds does he look down and just because we have a panacea to it does not mean that we should see this as a novice it is done in the private and (SPEAKER CHANGES)it is not democratic ms dynamite American as a hot peppers your own seven day yield the question are way below us some day plus population Guilford County around zinnias and 7000 people outside of the 750 people is in 290¢ an ounce of cocaine as private, the question from a way to yield its Sunday how many emails and calls would you say you are saying about it I had for Indians from the play and probably less than 100 of the suspects of them sooner four states are getting this pleasant members at all of them and I know this & slicing nice move beyond sentiment on a lot of sciences center Daniel agree that the save as many talking about two different bands man you talking about pleased by the City Council in the switchover and talk about ways to me as to state forms of government at a time and get your body dumped into the stands and from we have people living in the other carriers that have no say in the government that controls the month (SPEAKER CHANGES) I am a victim of an event in and out of his men in this is a way to let people be represented in making the kind of an angel of the called us not to change the facts and obviously it to you about this more than in downtown Seoul IRS figures for this bill before the session today summer way for purse arrives at the place their green if we get from one points and center with bill for kids to rise spain's a deal similar bills for speak to the bill Angeles president encrusted houses determine the best representation of the own governing bonds a sense that this to our family is taking too much control of that the city councils and county commission awaits it isn't meant that novelist take sides have reorganization made yesterday and at the premises of their own local governments China find that many of the things that famous and too expensive and often lack the government of the season's we are reorganizing me of the guest account and access to city maps to the macros when silence of the handgun of the press passes that they are four probes you as Cincinnati at the wheel for questions and that the back of the open shot set out to us at 630 miles, Santa Ana from many you can sustain use screws on the city's major cruise night and immoral such events as many of us have an as-a seminar to ask you this question I have a net meeting expensive as out of place to take...........

[SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca does not yield. Senator for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I speak to the bill for a second time? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator you can speak to the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lest there be any confusion, it seemed that there's no lip reading expert in the room who can designate the members of the chamber who can- [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, are we going to speak to the bill- [SPEAKER CHANGES] I am speaking, Senator and not be able to hear her because freshmen should be seen and not heard. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As was said. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Smith- [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And this freshman, who will speak. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Smith-Ingram, please keep your comments to the bill. Let's keep order in the chamber please. Order in the chamber. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You can continue Senator, but please keep your focus on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And germane to the bill as a freshman senator who is speaking, and oh I believe you recognized me, thank you Mr. President, who is speaking to this bill as you are seeing me, don't confuse what I said. I know I compared a Wake County Board of Commissioners with the Greensboro City Council, and I've heard it said that this has happened on local school boards of education. No matter what level or what governing body we are intruding in, the fact of the matter remains. We are imparting our will as an assembly into the will of local government. It is best to allow the people to establish the governance and how they want the composition of their town council, of their commissioner boards, of their school boards to look like. Now we would be very offended, and I've heard people say they have been offended, if this were to happen to us as a general assembly. The overwhelming majority of the people in Greensboro do not want SB36. It breaks up communities of interest, it breaks up students from the faculty. It breaks up universities from the communities that they serve. When we look at how the communities of interest are not preserved, we should vote this down. It is a bad bill. We need to send it back and work on it. There needs to be bi-partisan participation. I'm not calling names, but seriously and transparency, what this looks like is that we're being big bullies. Now I have been bullied on this floor, and we are bullying the towns of Greensboro, the city of Greensboro, and I don't think that makes us look good being bullies. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick has the floor to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] One thing that gets me concerned about this bill, and I've heard a lot of people from Greensboro who've called, a lot of people who are opposed to it, as well as those that are in favor of this bill. At the same time, one of the things that gives me deep concern is that I've heard the argument that Greensboro is growing, that it's thriving, that its downtown has really taken off. And at a time where a community is growing, it's thriving, and there's that special nucleus and energy that's there, I don't know why we would reduce the size of the city council from nine to seven. I also don't why we would want a mayor who, as the chief elected officer and official, not to have a vote as a stakeholder. I think that mayor ought to be able to cast a vote. I think that a community like Greensboro should have control over its own destiny. In this bill we see a decrease in the number of elected representatives. Likewise we see the mayor being denied a vote, and those things deeply, deeply concern me, and due to those reasons, I cannot support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes Senator McKissick, a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick, I have a question for you. On this last bill that we just passed, the Wake County bill, and you spoke so fervently on it, how'd you vote? [SPEAKER CHANGES] At that point in time I was outside of the chamber in a meeting. So I didn't. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let the record show you didn't even vote on that one you were so passionate about, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I wish I had been in the chamber to have vote, and if it were possible to do so, I would have voted in opposition and I will state that for the record. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick you can continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Simply saying this. I am in the chamber at this time, I wish I had been in the chamber then, I would have voted in opposition. I'll state that for the record and I regret that I walked in about a minute too late. But our Lieutenant Governor made the rules very clear and I did not intend

If I leave those rules are CD deviation a reception with that said I am in the chamber now and they come to this bill news division of opinion in the city of Greensboro and one communities of interest that would be divided one thoroughly than there would be denied avoids but the most important significant thing is on one count is probably its population expanding we would increase the number of members are elected representatives from 9 to 7 aikido, leaving more creative approach to school and who produced it could've been used to come out with a new voting district plan included Vaughn and (SPEAKER CHANGES)I'll make you an center of the center of this year as I am to ask the senate delayed a question so their way to get from 7:00 AM on Chavalit has yet they're working the previous guest drinks at the word magi to the African American African American since the selling in you in the present blame us from their art at nine, I love this president's energy radio at the canyon as though she married and have an African American has never been elected at large that the majority of routes a sea of green star art and spear for some, it's been one in 31 years that one and large against an opponent one times for mayor has been lined the same person in 31 years that one eye and lodges and district represented but you have to realize that it's not to get some one is the top story in the election it can't get in the deposition Sunday as one person and 31 years I suspect the second time this president and owner of city of four speaker bill second, adding that the additional happiness but not quite as I heard earlier than the intent of this plan is to get every time a representation I take issue with that because since 1980 when the community came together and say (SPEAKER CHANGES) it best does not work in and Al get ready for a slave was a virus on the council bands and daughter and a file of the history because IBM launched an African Americans as the stubble knockout he sat stunned the data has a British old struggle unfashionable instead allocated a baton of the day is done anything yet taken by greats in mime as an unhappy that the people that allows the community about stability naked at only in five nights African American that's not the middle as many of an CNN at the lodge person into the belly and streets and van Nuys and waits but was not the giants and African American and highlight the Clintons, cement its this a changeling of reducing the tax bite as the deference to one at prayer in terms of getting people the opportunity for representation when handling present a shimmering spar people have had the opportunity to about a white male that they felt would be as 5% from an assassin said that about half the opportunity to bob mantle of rich people died and Al Hinman has it been this way all Sunday and has some real people and that canceled a good speed and Data Banks and say this is what I need , and as people that (SPEAKER CHANGES) I decimate the San Juan and have a single buyer, counseling and archived at an expanse that concerns expressed addresses and that response and 7/2 and his M.S. time soon as an agency runs and Sava center quest and Robson view us as Enron the 70th time you had problem in your district 90, he won on the Seine City Council at this Point I'm in a district like a large this can move as a back-end data and that includes district CD, and the district Brea I don't get out of ice center Robinson view of .........

for a second question. SPEAKER CHANGES I would. SPEAKER CHANGES The answer to that question was that at the present time, you could not only go to the at-large people, but you can also go to a district representative at this time, because there's five districts. SPEAKER CHANGES Mr. President? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Wade, not only can I call any of them, I'll call Republicans Zach Matheney and Tony Wilkins, and I have done that. And they're not in my districts. SPEAKER CHANGES Follow up. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, do you yield for a third time? SPEAKER CHANGES Yes. SPEAKER CHANGES So if there were seven districts, could you go to every other district and talk to them and that would be seven different people? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Wade-- SPEAKER CHANGES Your floor, Senator. SPEAKER CHANGES Mr. President. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Wade, if there are seven different districts, and they only represent their persons, they would not listen to me the way, currently, my district person plus the three at-large and the mayor. Because I have a vote in terms of whether they get elected. SPEAKER CHANGES Will she yield to another question? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, do you yield for a fourth question? SPEAKER CHANGES Yes. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, would the district representatives represent everyone in Greensboro at the present time? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Wade--Mr. President, don't want to skip you. Senator Wade, the district representatives currently represent their district in addition to their five-- three other at-large people, which gives them more opportunity to speak to more people. SPEAKER CHANGES Follow up. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, do you yield? SPEAKER CHANGES My question is, when they cast their vote, are they casting for everybody in Greensboro and everything that influences anybody in Greensboro when they vote? They have the same vote as the at-large members when they vote? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Wade, you and I know that even when you were on the city council, it depends on how you're communicating with the other members of the council, if you're doing it together, and I think you were a dissenting vote. SPEAKER CHANGES I'm trying to understand the answer. So are you telling me that ?? district-- SPEAKER CHANGES Senator, ??, hold on Senator Wade. Senator Robinson, do you yield? SPEAKER CHANGES Yes. SPEAKER CHANGES So you're telling me it's the same vote, whether you're in a district or at-large and it affects the city just the same way? SPEAKER CHANGES I'm telling you, Senator Wade, that it depends on the collaboration and working together, which I don't see down here. But you know as well that on the City Council what happens now, the issues that affect, for instance, northeast Greensboro, are discussed. Now they can be voted down like when you were on the city council, and the landfill in northeast Greensboro was going to go back--be open in northeast Greensboro--half the citizens not spoken. So no, all the time the other folk don't represent the interests of some individuals. SPEAKER CHANGES Do we have any further discussion or debate? SPEAKER CHANGES Mr. President? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Van Duyn, for what purpose do you rise? SPEAKER CHANGES To ask Senator Apodaca a question. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Apodaca, do you yield? SPEAKER CHANGES I do. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Apodaca, it is with great trepidation that I ask you a question that I know both you and Senator Nesbitt would be disappointed if I didn't. So here goes. You have twice today referenced Representative Turner as an expert on how Buncombe County feels about what happened to them a few years ago. So I am wondering--he was speaking with respect to a bill that he introduced in the House that would give the people who are--who we're messing with here--the ability to vote on what we do before we change how they elect their local people. Would you support my bringing this bill to the Senate? SPEAKER CHANGES What--Mr. President. Number one, if you read the article, Mr. Turner was referring to the bills that were passed previously. Number two, I never once said Brian Turner's an expert on anything. And the third thing is that I haven't read your bill, Senator, so I can't tell you yea or nay. SPEAKER CHANGES Thank you. SPEAKER CHANGES Mr. President? SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Smith-Ingram, for what purpose do you rise? SPEAKER CHANGES To see if Senator Robinson will yield for a question. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, do you yield? SPEAKER CHANGES Yes, Mr. President. SPEAKER CHANGES Senator Robinson, in representing Guilford County and Greensboro, North Carolina, and being in touch and in pulse with the people of the city, in your opinion, with the breaking up of the communities of interest, do you feel

That the African American representation or voice is increased or is it diluted? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. Senator Smith-Ingram, thank you for that. It is diluted. The specific areas in my opinion that around North Carolina A&T and Bennett College are strong as voting districts together, and have had increased outreach, getting people in to vote, helping people with transportation, all of those, some of those are low income neighborhoods around Bennett College, where I went to school. And it is important that that community remains whole, so that they can support each other. So interests of the people there will be disenfranchised and we don't know what will happen. It can be, to me the voting strength might be diluted. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do we have any further discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the senate is the passage of the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 36 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, opposed vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. Rucho, Daniel, Rucho Daniel. 29 having voted in the affirmative and 16 in the negative, the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 36 passes its second reading. Senator Wade objects to third reading. It will remain on the calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Motion, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, I haven't voted with the majority on second reading of Senate Bill 181, Wake County Commission Districts. I hereby move that, to reconsider the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection, so ordered. [PAUSE] Senators, the question before the Senate is the motion to reconsider the vote for the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 181. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca, For what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca has the floor to speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. Members, Senator McKissick mentioned that he was out working on a conference committee, along with some of the other members when we voted on that, so we'd like to give everybody a chance to be recorded on the vote, that's all it is. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Very good. The question before the Senate is the motion to reconsider the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 181. All in favor will vote aye. Opposed will vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting and the clerk will record the vote. [PAUSE] ?? Apodaca. Apodaca, aye. 43 having voted in the affirmative and 4 in the negative, the motion to reconsider passes. The bill is back before us, on second reading. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. Please, Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ah, Senator Ford. There you are, sorry. I was looking at the Senator standing over here, and I was hearing your voice. Senator Ford, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For, to reconsider my vote. I sincerely made a mistake. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry. What was your comment, Senator? I didn't catch that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to change my vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Change the vote on the reconsideration? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, the final number was on reconsideration? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Davis? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Same thing, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Same thing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Same thing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And Senator Lowe and Senator Newton. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, my finger slipped. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Newton's finger slipped. Okay. So let's get the final number here. Lowe, Newton, Davis, Ford. The final count was 47 to zero for reconsideration, so the question before the Senate is the passage of the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 181 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. Opposed will vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. [PAUSE] 31 having voted in the affirmative and 16 in the negative, the Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 181 passes its second reading. It will remain on the calendar due to objection to third reading. [PAUSE] That's not all. We have more to go. Public Bill, second reading, Senate Bill 53

OLTHDF [0:00:00.0] The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Bill 53: Cities/Overgrown Vegetation Notice. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senators Krawiec is recognized to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President, colleagues this is simply a boring bill, not as exciting as what we have been doing. This bill would simply change the requirements for the annual notice to chronic violators of our municipal overgrown vegetation and by authorizing the sending of notice by regular mail currently to notify those chronic violators you must send certified or registered. If it is unclaimed this new bill will allow regular mail if it’s not returned within 10 days to the city the notice is deemed haven’t been served. So it’s just a simple change to current ordinance of overgrown vegetation. I appreciate your support and I will be happy to answer any question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there any discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Senate Bill 53 on its second reading, all in favor will vote aye, those oppose will vote no, five seconds will be allowed for the voting and the clerk will record the vote. Newton aye, Blue, Blue, 46 having voted in the affirmative and 0 in the negative the Senate Bill 53 passes its second reading without object be read at third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] North Carolina General Assembly enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any discussion or debate? Hearing none the question before the Senate is the passage of the Senate Bill on its third reading, all in favor say aye, all oppose no, the ayes have it the Senate Bill 53 passes its third reading and will be sent to the House. Senate Bill 78, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Bill 78: Off-Duty Correctional Officers/Conceal Carry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Randleman is recognized to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President, I would like to speak on the bill and send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Senator has the floor to speak to the bill and send forward the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Bill 78 will allow State Correctional Officers to carry a concealed weapon when off duty. Adding them to general stat report 10-269B which list several classes of persons that are exam from general probation against carrying concealed weapons, they cannot consume alcohol or an unlawfully controlled substance in their bodies. The effective date is December 1, 2015, when this bill was in J2 there was some questions added ask about the training and certification of these officers. So Mr. President I would like to send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator you can send forward your amendment, if we can have a page of amendment up here already, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Randleman moves to amend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Randleman is recognized to speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. So what this amendment does on line 9, it will add an additional Senate that says the concealed weapon is a handgun but ?? power understanding standards of the division of adult correction of the Department of Public Safety. So what the amendment does it clarifies which Correctional Officers are given authority under the bill, when Correctional Officers are hired they have probationary certification status and less within 12 months to complete the trainings for the North Carolina Criminal Justice Education in Training Standards Division which includes 26 hours of firearms training. Once this training has completed then they have general certification, this legislation applies to those officers who have completed their 160 hours of training and I ask for your support on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Senator, any discussion or debate on amendment 1? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the adoption of amendment 1, all in favor will vote aye, all oppose will vote no, five seconds are allowed for the voting, and the clerk will record the vote. 46 having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative, the Amendment 1 is adopted the bill augmented is back before the body, Senator Randleman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. And I would like to read something from the department because there are some concerns or enquiry about why this is needed and there is a recent trend which replaces an increase in frequency of threats and assaults on staff in their population both inside and outside of the prison facilities. So this legislation will attempt to address some of those security issues and it’s the something that the Correctional Officers really need. So I appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Committee Substitute Senate Bill 78 as amended on its second reading, all in favor will vote aye, all oppose will vote no, five seconds are allowed for the voting, the clerk will record the vote. [0:05:00.3] [End of file…]

45 having voted in the affirmative and two in the negative, committee substitute to Senate bill 78 as amended passes its second reading. Without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] North Carolina general assembly and act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of committee substitute to Senate bill 78 as amended on its third reading. All in favor will say aye. All opposed no. The ayes have it. The committee substitute Senate bill 78 as amended passes its third reading. The amendment will be engrossed and will be sent to the House. Senate bill 89, clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate bill 89, Disqualification Notice/Pistol Sale Permit. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Randall is recognized to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you msiter president. And for those of you who were here last year in the short session, you will remmeber that we made some changes in the language regarding pistol purchase permits and in that language, we said that the clerks of superior court shall determine which information can be transmitted to NICS. So we tried to fix this last year during the short session but we run out of time, so what we have now, we have 100 counties, we have 100 respective courts of clerk, so with all of them trying to determine, and they might not all be like minded we have the potential of a lot of inconsistency. So what this legislation does, it is intended to limit the clerk's obligation to judicial findings and determinations and to make it clear that the clerk does not need to make any independent judgments regarding the existence of the disqualifying factors. NICS prescribes the format required for the dated transmission, and also, this bill does require a follow up report by the administrative office of the course in conjunction with the SBI and NICS by March 1, 2016. It does become, it is effective when it becomes law and I appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of committe substitute Senate bill 89 on its second reading. All in favor will vote aye. All opposed will vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. Rucho, aye. Low, low aye. Alexander, 46 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative, committee substitute Senate bill 89 passes its second reading. Without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] North Carolina Assembly and act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of the committee subsitute Senate bill 89 on its third reading. All in favor will say aye. Opposed no. The ayes have it. Committee substutute Senate bill 89 passes its third reading. It will be sent to the House, and that is the end of the calendar. Any notices or announcements? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister president. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To make an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock has the floor for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The ag and environment commitee will meet at 8 o'clock tomorrow morning. The room is to be determined and we'll take up the immense bill that just came over from the House. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Hise, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Hise has the floor for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister president, members of the Senate. As it was nearly a half an hour ago, the international business and trade caucus was scheduled to meet and it also looks like the House went home for a basketball game a little early today. We are going to cancel that meeting. We will send out the notices when we are able to reschedule. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] President, thank you mister president. A moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman has the, has the floor for a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick, I apologize for asking you about how you voted and Senator Apodaca saved you so you got a vote on that. I'm glad you got to vote on that. He said you were working on a conference commmittee and certainly I didn't mean to denigrate you in that manner and I owe you an apology. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] A brief moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick has the floor for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman, I respect you. We've worked together as colleagues for many years and I did not take it personally. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Bingham, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To make an announcement, mister president. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Bingham has the floor for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman of the Senate, JPS joint meeting will be canceled in the morning at 8:30. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Daniel, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] An announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Daniel has the floor for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister president. Judiciary two commitee will not meet tomorrow at 10 AM. The meeting is canceled. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Rucho, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] A moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Rucho has the floor for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister president and members of the Senate. I know you're gonna be delighted to hear about the good news. As, in February, there's been a lot of negative comments about all the money that hasn't come in as far as the general fund tax revenues

and the lake and I think it was last month it was I think people are using the word two hundred and seventy two hundred and seventeen million dollars but the good news is ladies and gentleman of the senate the month of January excuse me the month of February we actually closed the gap and rather than two hundred and seventeen million dollars it is now one fifty eight point six million total general fund revenues. And actually the total tax revenue went from one ninety eight to one thirty eight it's moving in the right direction this general assembly who has worked hard to have economic growth and job creation is seeing some great results and I hope at the time when there turns out to be eight hundred million dollars of new tax revenue coming into the general fund at the same time we lower taxes in corporate and personal income taxes the antagonists will come up and say they were wrong. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Gunn for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Gunn has the floor for point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to thank senator Rucho for those great numbers. I've got another number I'd like to share with you. Hills 81 Boston College 63. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We have any other notices or announcements? Any further business to come before the senate if not the chair recognizes, hold on, senator Brock press your button for what purpose do you rise senator? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To make an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock has the floor for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Our subcommittee will be cancelled tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any other business to come before the senate? If not the chair recognizes senator Berger for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr.President I move the senate now adjourn subject to the standards and stipulations set forth in senate rule twenty four point one the receipt and referral of committee reports appointment of conferees and messages from the house reconvene on Thursday March 12th 2015 at nine a.m. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The motion is the senate do now adjourn subject the stipulations stated by senator Berger to reconvene March 12th at nine am seconded by senator Barringer, all in favor say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Oppose no, the aye's have it senate stands adjourned.