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House | April 9, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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The house will come to order, members please take your seats, visitors please retire from the chamber. Sargent ?? will close the doors. Members and visitors in the gallery please silence all cellular phones and personal electronic devices. Prayer will be offered by representative Jerry ??. Members and visitors in the gallery please stand and please remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members, I wanted to share with you a poem that has meant a lot to me over the years. It was written by a former member of this house, from Scotland county, John Charles ??, who was a student and professor at ?? University. It's entitled sundown. Would you pray with me please. ?? wrapped in gray standing along the west. ?? dimly lighted gathering slowly. The star of peace at watch above the crest, oh, holy, holy, holy. We know, oh Lord, so little what is best, wingless we move so lowly. But in thy calm ?? let us rest. Oh, holy, holy, holy. Amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, invisible, for liberty, and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ?? is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, the journal for Monday, April the 8th, 2013 has been examined and found to be correct and I move its approval as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves that the journal for Monday, April 8th be approved as written. All those in favor, say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it, the journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials, or papers addressed to the general assembly of the house. Chapter bills will be noted. Ladies and gentleman of the house upon motion of representative John ?? for ?? county the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the following members of the ?? county republican women's club Jackie ??, Susan ??, Debbie Workman, Noralene Williams, ?? ??, Rachel ??, Courtney Davis, ?? Irwin, and Dick ?? please stand and let us welcome you and I apologize for any mispronunciations. Ladies and gentleman of the house the chair is also happy to extend courtesies of the gallery to students, teachers, and chaperones from ?? elementary from ??. Please stand and let us welcome you. Representatives Howard ?? ??, and ?? are recognized to send forth committee reports, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Howard, ??, ??, and ?? finance committee house bill 290 ?? airport authority favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calender. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 334 ?? city sales tax expansion favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calender. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 261 ?? unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The committee substitute bill will be re-referred to the committee on finance original bill unfavorable calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 439 economic development job sites program favorable as to the committee substitute unfavorable as to the original bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute bill calender original bill

409: Speaker1: Counted. Jeremy spoke on House bill 161 committee substitute counted the bill in unfavorable original xx calendar. Representative Moore is recognized to explain committee report. Clerk will read it. Speaker changes: Representative Moore will explain to the house . The bill is about actual avenues xxxwith xx virus licences. Passed irrespective of the fact it should pass certain requirements and like his license act favorable for introduction. Speaker changes: The bill will be filed. Ladies and gentlemen, without objection bill 12 A IS suspended under objection; so ordered. Speaker changes: A bill to be entitled I the inspection of farmers of used vehicles subject to average title by dealers favor for introduction?[pause] A bill to be filed in use of certain safety measures in schools, including xxxx for use in a life threatening and emergency situations favor for introduction. Speaker changes: The bill will be filed. Speaker changes: A half resolution honoring the founders of the town of that xxx while observing house bill 15 for favorable introduction? Speaker changes: Bill will be filed. Speaker changes: A bill in favor of penal code on Classical Academy an existing Public school led to protest authority xxxxxxxx xxx state health plan for teachers and state employees for favorable introduction? Speaker changes: Bill will be filed. Speaker changes: House resolution xxx of the United States honoring the commitment and dedication service to America and offering our continuing support for soldiers favorable in production. Speaker changes: The bill will be filed. Speaker changes: A bill xx to act upon people of various offices to various public xx for recommendation from the Speaker of the House of Representatives, favor for introduction? Speaker changes: The bill will be filed. Speaker changes: A bill to lead health services study extending the provisions of foster care to the age of twenty one favor of introduction. A bill to impact a certain xxx taxable property from the town of Mills river favor of introduction. Speaker changes: The bill will be filed.] Representative Moore is recognized to explain report. Clerk will read it. Speaker changes: Representative Murray, xx job development, House bill 565, xxplace of law bill of agriculture. Speaker changes: Noted.[Pause] Introduction to Bills and to corporate.Representatives scheafer and are aware of bill 490 of presumption Speaker changes: We will just hear it. Speaker changes: Representative Blackwell, Holloway, Jordan house bill 599 reporting in fo board. Speaker changes: Rules counter the operations of the House. Speaker changes: Representative Adams House bill 599 to UNC board member vote. Speaker changes: Education. Representative Rockway House bill 593 pledge to deal of hours. Speaker changes: It is shared with?? Subcommittee A. Speaker changes: Representative Brody has house bill 494 information protection act Speaker changes: Commerce and jobs and I will favor it to judiciary Subcommittee A. Representatives xx re asked to school volunteers. Speaker changes: Education and judiciary of subcommittee A. Speaker changes: Representative Steinbeck house resolution 596 honoring xx 300th Anniversary. Speaker changes: Counter will be presented to committee 232 A, TODAY. Speaker changes: Representatives Blackwell, Apoac asked for house bill 497 Official shield Speaker changes: Initiate to subcommittee C. Representative B.. (NOTE: After a while even on replay the audio stopped. Sorry.)

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[Speaker Changes] Strike judiciary subcommittee B, Senate Bill 369 will be judiciary subcommittee C. Senate Bill 379, agriculture, if favorable, transportation. [Speaker Changes] Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 386, a bill to entitle an enact to amend a grain dealer licensing act to increase a bonding amount to most company license applications; specify an additional grounds for refusal or replication. [Speaker Changes] Agriculture. [Speaker Changes] Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 387, a bill to entitle an enact to make technical conforming changes pertaining to the renaming of the North Carolina Forest Service to make other changes in the forest service statutes. [Speaker Changes] Agriculture. [Speaker Changes] Senate Bill 433, a bill to entitle an enact to prevent certain property carrying vehicles from paying or declared weight that exceeds the statutory allowance. [Speaker Changes] Agriculture. [Speaker Changes] Senate Bill 445. [Speaker Changes] No, strike agriculture. 433, transportation. I won’t multitask for the remainder of the messages here. [Speaker Changes] Senate Bill 445, a bill to entitle an enact to require that any person issued an alcoholic beverage permit be ?? of ?? the United States, to prevent that ABC commission from issuing a special one-time permit to any person less than ten business days from the planned event, and to give notice to that ?? law enforcement division of all special one-time permits issued within three business days of the permit’s issuance. [Speaker Changes] Commerce and job development subcommittee on alcoholic beverage control. Ladies and gentlemen, upon motion, Representative Torbett from Gaston County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the North Carolina YMCA group of CEOs and volunteers as they are here at the legislature for the next two days for their State Advocacy days. Please stand and let us welcome you. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Changes] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Motion for re-referral of a bill. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman is recognized. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker, House Bill 127, short titled Arts Education as graduation requirement — it’s been determined that the bill does not need to go to appropriations; move the the bill be removed from the committee on appropriations, calendar 36B. [Speaker Changes] Without objection, so ordered. [Speaker Changes] Additional — if I may be… [Speaker Changes] The gentleman is recognized. [Speaker Changes] House Bill 566, and I apologize I don’t have the short title. The sponsor has asked that that be removed from the calendar for April 10th and calendar for Thursday, April the 11th. [Speaker Changes] Without objection, so ordered. [Speaker Changes] And final one. House Bill 273, short title is charter school LEA, has been determined that it does not have a finance impact. Therefore it asks that the serial referral to finance be stricken. [Speaker Changes] Without objection, so ordered. Representatives Hollo and Jones are recognized to send forth committee reports. The Clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] Representatives Hollo and Jones, with the Health and Human Services Committee, House Bill 459, chronic care coordination act ?? be re-referred serially to appropriates. [Speaker Changes] House Bill 459 will be re-referred to the committee on appropriations. [Speaker Changes] House Bill 460, expedite ?? list maintenance favorable and be re-referred serially to elections. [Speaker Changes] House Bill 460 will be re-referred to the committee on elections. Representatives Langdon and Dixon are recognized to send forth committee report. The Clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] Representatives Langdon and Dixon for the agricultural committee, House Bill 379, clarify a board of agricultural authority of plants, favorable and re-referred serially to environment. [Speaker Changes] House Bill 379 will be re-referred to the committee on environment. Ladies…

Gentleman, upon motion by representative David Lewis from Harnett county, the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the city of Dunn chamber of commerce. Frank Carpenter, president. Brad Heath, president elect. Russell Galvan, vice president of government affairs. Jim Schmidlen, vice president of economic development. Meredith Bradham, vice president of education. Tammy Williams, executive vice president. Thank you for your services to the community. Please stand and let us welcome you. And ladies and gentlemen, before we begin the calendar, the chair would like to extend a welcome and a thank you to the nurse of the day whose attention is being consumed by representative Brawley at this time. The nurse of the day is Ernest Grand from Chapel Hill. Ernest thank you for your service to the house. Representative Stevens, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A motion with respect to today's calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, mister speaker. I would ask that house bill 386 be removed from today's calendar and re-calendared for tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection, so ordered. Ladies and gentlemen of the house. There are two resolutions. One is printed on the calendar, the other was introduced for consideration on today's calendar. Without objection, we will move ahead on those resolutions. Is there an objection? House resolution 363. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house resolution 363. House resolution honoring the founders of Springfield Memorial Baptist church while observing the church's one hundred fiftieth anniversary. The house resolves. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will read the resolution in its entirety. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Whereas, Springfield Memorial Baptist Church, located in Stanley, North Carolina, can trace its origin to 1863, when 12 people organized the Galilee Baptist Church, now First Baptist, between the Towns of Stanley and Mount Holly; and Whereas, the congregation later split into the Hickory Grove Baptist Church, Galilee Baptist Church, and the Brunington Baptist Church, which remained on the grounds of the original church; and Whereas, Reverend Tom Barnwell served as the first pastor of the Brunington Baptist Church; and Whereas, after a few years, the church was destroyed by fire, and, on September 18, 1874, Rufus and Susan Friday donated land for a new church; and Whereas, a log structure was built to serve as the church, which was named Springfield Memorial Baptist Church in honor of the pastor at the time, Reverend Burton, who came from Springfield, West Virginia; and Whereas, the next pastors to serve Springfield Memorial Baptist Church included Reverend George Washington, Reverend Ellis Lee, Reverend Ranson, Reverend Miles Beam, Reverend R.D. Harris, who served as pastor of the church from 1908 to 1929 and helped to build a new church, Reverend C.F. Gingles, Reverend J.W. Harriston, Reverend C.W. Thomas, Reverend J.F. Wingate, Reverend P. Barnett, and Reverend T. Armstrong; and Whereas, for 150 years, the Springfield Memorial Baptist Church has prospered, attracting new members; adding new facilities such as classrooms, an educational building, an auditorium, and a Family Life Center; and expanding its ministries and missionary services; Now, therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives: SECTION 1. The House of Representatives honors the founders and leaders of the Springfield Memorial Baptist Church for their contributions to the rich cultural heritage of North Carolina. SECTION 2. The House of Representatives expresses its appreciation to the members of Springfield Memorial Baptist Church for their continuous service to the church and contributions to the religious heritage of the State of North Carolina. SECTION 3. The Principal Clerk shall transmit a certified copy of this resolution to the pastor of Springfield Memorial

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[Speaker changes.] ...protector of the 1886 Roanoke River lighthouse, contribute to the history of the ??????? Sound and Waterways of North Carolina; whereas Eatonton??? was the home of many black artisans who contributed to its cultural development including the ?????? family of African American architects, builders and carpenters...Miles ????? the first, is son Hannibal ?????? Senior and Hannibal's sons, Hannibal ????? Junior and Miles ????? the second, whose designs and construction stand to this day. Whereas much of Eatonton??? was declared a national historic district in 1973, recognizing the many historically significant homes and public buildings that stand as authentic examples of over 250 years of architectural progress in America, the 1736 St. Paul's Episcopal Church, the 1758 Cupola House, a national historic landmark with national significance, and the 1782 Barker House, long recognized on the National Register of Historic Places, and whereas in 1918, the people of Eatonton????, fearful of that significant part of that state's heritage was endangered, created an organization which became The Cupola House Association to defend against the irrevocable loss of this historically important dwelling. The first such act of preservation by private citizens of North Carolina, and one of the first in the nation. Whereas, the General Assembly of North Carolina created the Eatonton???? Historical Commission in 1961 as evidence of the unique role Eatonton and Chowan County played to the preservation and perpetuation of the history of the colony and the state, and whereas Eatonton??? on the eve of its 300th anniversary was defined by Forbes.com as "one of America's prettiest towns", thereby awarding Eatonton???? the honor of being the only 300 year-old town in the United States to hold such a distinction, this recognition further proves Eatonton???? has retained its exceptionalism throughout its historically significant 300 years and confirms what residents and visitors alike have long enjoyed. That therefore be absolved by the House of Representatives, Section One the House of Representatives honors the memory of the early residents of the town of Eatonton????? for their contributions to their community, the colony of North Carolina, the State of North Carolina and the Nation. Section Two, the House of Representatives extends sincere good wishes to the current residents of the town of Eatonton???? and Chowan County on the occasion of their 300th anniversary and embraces with enthusiasm, the town's plan to celebrate the occasion throughout 2013. The House of Representatives further acknowledges Eatonton's????cultural dedication to the preservation of historic buildings that contributed to much to the development of North Carolina. Section Three, the House of Representatives equally notes the perpetuation of the memories and stories of the leaders who have made such contributions to the colony, the state and the nation and encourages the citizens of the state to join Eatonton and Chowan County in demonstrating respect for and pride in our history and heritage. Section Four, the principal Clerk shall transmit a certified copy of this resolution to the Mayor of the Town of Eatonton????, Chair of the Chowan Board of Commissioners and the Superintendent of the Chowan County School Board. Section Five, this resolution is effective upon adoption. [Speaker changes.] Representative Steinburg, please state your purpose. [Speaker changes.] To speak on the resolution, please. [Speaker changes.] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [Speaker changes.] Ladies and gentlemen of House and esteemed visitors and guests, it is with great pride that I get up here today to speak on this resolution, which is honoring one of the most, very special places, not only in North Carolina but, indeed, in all of America. This is just a partial list, that you heard in this resolution of the historic sites that are there and preserved for all to see, now and for generations to come. I am proud to call Eatonton????, North Carolina, home. It was...and I don't believe this was mentioned in the resolution, it was the first capitol of North Carolina. It was the Provincial Capitol of our state, and, as a matter of fact, this 300th anniversary celebration came about when it became known that I was going to run a bill to move the state capitol back to Eatonton??? from Raleigh. It was thought that perhaps this might be a....

way to go, but it is indeed a very special place, very special people living there. We have a citer of the Constitution of the United States from Edenton, we have a citer of the Declaration of Independence from Edenton, and the New York Times – the New York Times, a newspaper with which I seldom agree, said that Edenton is the prettiest town in the south, and with that I wholeheartedly agree, and I commend this resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the adoption of House Resolution 596. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 120 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House Resolution 596 has been adopted and will be ordered printed. House Bill 276. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 276, a bill to be entitled ‘An Act to Clarify and Modernize Statutes Regarding Zoning Boards of Adjustment’. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, before we begin debate on the House Committee substitute for House Bill 276, the Chair would like to extend a courtesies of the gallery to Mr. Bob Quinn, Edenton councilman and Chairman of the 300th committee, Jerry Climber, Chairman of the Edenton Historical Commission and Co-Chair of the 300th committee, Sally Francis Kehayes – I hope I got that right – and Dr. Benjamin Speller, both members of the 300th committee. Please stand and let us welcome you and thank you for your service to this state. Representative Graham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, thank you for allowing us to have this opportunity. I’d just simply like to say that House Bill 276 is a good bill – a good bill that will do some good. It came through committee without any problems whatsoever and we’re commending it to you for your support. I commend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members of the House, I hate it when people say everybody’s on board with something ?? anybody who’s not. It’s been circulated to dozens and dozens of groups. I’ve got 13 talking points and I’m going to just mention 4 or 5, and if you have some other things you want to ask, Representative Graham or myself will answer, but we have this statute that’s been around from the twenties, and it was badly written than and because of that, it’s been construed all which way all over the state. We need some consistency, so these changes make these statutes simpler to read, deleting stilted phrases, redundant terms. This includes gender-neutral language. It clarifies that board of adjustment hearings shall follow quasi-judicial procedures, it makes terms consistent one section to the next, it tells you how to do an appeal from a board of adjustment so that from one town to the next it’s the same procedure so that you’re not caught in a trap, and finally you may know that from board of adjustment requires a supermajority, four fifths vote, but it shouldn’t be that way for many of the things. It maintains that supermajority for variances where a citizen wishes to be excused from following the law through variance, but it changes to a simple majority for things like special use permits, conditional use permits. There’s a lot more in it, but it’s been thoroughly scrubbed by people who are interested in this kind of thing and I ask you to vote for it. Thanks. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further

discussion futher debate , if not question the White House is the passage of the house may substitute down build two thirty six on its second reading on paper, but not all is not known for going about all members wishing to report, please does understand [SPEAKER CHANGES] the anger or collection for the one hundred and nineteen, and that affirmative and not in the negative house. many sensitivity to health up to seventy six is passed second reading of that objection will be rather it's a Johnson, North Carolina. [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion further debate , not a question before the house. the passage of the house may substitute out the two seventy six on its third reading of favor say I all buzzing of guys have asked me substitute House Bill two seventy six. his passes. the reading will be sent to the [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate out of three twenty two corporate meetings to give a house built three twenty two building silent and allow the division of motor vehicles to waive the commercial skills passport retired or discharged members of Berkeley Armed Forces who also satisfy other requirements. Johnson of North Carolina, not forward get a debate on as the ladies and gentlemen, [SPEAKER CHANGES] the chair would like to extend a welcome occurs is in the gallery to students, teachers and chaperones from Wintergreen, intermediate, and Greenville police analyst welcome him as the news of the police major purpose to build the demos recognize the beta bill, but is generally private synthesis jobs bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] we have a shortage of about four thousand commercial truck drivers.instead, North Carolina, and that number is expected to ground changes in the regulation develops four thousand jobs. we also have many numerous candidates in both the Army and Marine Corpsand Air Force who are getting out of service after having been employed overseas were already commercial truck drivers what this bill does is it wishes up if you weld some language that is already existing law that allows these things were getting out of the Army to have their skills test count how your military service towards her commercial drivers license from the ninety days after they get on the Army. the Army, Marine Corps, both have very active rear alumni programs. it feels what they call them for people getting out. this will help that this doll came to us from the North Carolina chapter of the season-ending are Carolina trucking Association Crystal Collins, who's with us here in gallery today was as relevant bringing this issue forward recorded as the DMV Department transportation with eleven veterans organization support this. it got a unanimous referral out of committee and I ask you to support this bill is a will lead to more jobs in the state [SPEAKER CHANGES] the ladies recognize bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you Speaker, members work have been working for a trip for years now with the veterans group regaling primarily focusing on the homeless veterans. the one of the things that I have become aware of them in getting into this. all sector of our population is that the military gives a lot of training, but they don't use the same titles and numbers and in credential names that we do it. the scales are the same think all of you are aware of the changes that are taking place at UNC regarding medic succumbed him will become physicians assistants to think this bill is a good direction in one area of our economy. nothing we need to explore many others because we have some very scale people coming home and they need a job, going for them. thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate, if not a question of what a house is the fastest thousand may substitute House Bill three twenty two on second reading, I was a favor by not all closed about are popular all members wishing to record, please do so. this time Jenna Malone, president of Alexander R Augustine record about one hundred and seventeen I'm not an affirmative and not in a negative house mates of state out of three twenty two is that the second reading without a

Be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. ?? North Carolina ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussions? Further debate? Representative Malone. Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to make a yes, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as having voted yes on second reading for house bill 322. Representative Alexander, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to be recorded as having voted yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman will be recorded as having voted yes on house bill 322. Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to house bill 322 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The house committee substitute for house bill 322 has passed its third reading. And will be sent to the senate. Ladies and gentlemen, just as a reminder, when the chair reminds members of recording their vote it's because there are members seated who have not voted. The chair assumes they want to be warned but the chair will not call members going forward. You will be asked to stand up and ask your vote to be recorded. So I'd check your lights if I say that. House bill 392. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute to house bill 392. A bill ?? requiring a county department or social services to conduct a criminal check on applicants or recipients of temporary assistance to needy families, benefits or food and nutrition services, benefits to require DSS to share information with a local law enforcement agency regarding an applicant for or recipient of TANF or FNS benefits who has an outstanding arrest warrant and to deny TANF or FNS benefits to an applicant or recipient subject to an outstanding warrant for felony or for probation or parole violation. ?? North Carolina ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Arp, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. Send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Represent Arp ?? to amend the bill on page one, lines two through ten by rewriting the lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, members. Appreciate your comments the other day. This amendment clarifies a lot of the questions that may have been raised and what it does is makes sure that there is no local cost down. It ensures that the verifications are done by the DSS to ensure that two types of people, those who are fleeing felons and those who are parole and probation violators do not receive aid. And I ask for your support of the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment? Representative Baskerville, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to thank representative Arp for taking the time and listening to our concerns. Related to him some issues that were brought to my attention from two of my local boards of commissioners that representative Arp has crafted into this particular amendment which alleviated some of my concerns about the funding requirements on local municipalities. I think the amendment is excellent. I commend that to you and also the bill as well. I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate on the amendment? If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by representative Arp for the house committee substitute to house bill 392. All in favor, vote aye. All opposed, vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. One hundred and nineteen having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The amendment passes. We're now back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate on the bill? Representative Farmer-Butterfield, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill as amended. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister speaker. This bill came before the ?? committee and I question it. At that time and since that time I've done a lot of work with my local DSS as well as other DSS's across the state and talked with some of the directors or staff and I'm still concerned about the deal. I think the amendment was good but the bill is not what we need in this state. And the reasons are many. I want to share a few with you. One is that the employee case worker safety is an issue for me. And I mentioned that in committee. I've had case workers over the years tell me that they were threatened by some of the clients. Some have been

that is all-NT not easy as a province of many times as six months in advance and so did have a ?? with the stacks that and hustle the pentagon has been disconnected the video was still it's not easy to use and chime the information out the seeds of the upstairs to the economy that having this is when validated as is often-lot was it up, and that's the time is now seen once it has information, visit its mines and it is a cousin of operation of the time of the county passed since the series, and he Stephens was sentenced in C is not the deal would be a ?? he said that it was then seen as a as a ?? went out of the benefit patients for the social services agency with these awful lot of the diamondbacks says its Sunday edition also went out, it states that impose those nights in Fresno, not his best in our time is past and that my agency and said he does is to have the patience of the law enforcement agency and Intel have been out here is that has not been issued, of the times North Carolina in Sunday's teaching us what you think person as a way station purpose in detail what I mean estimate, I think he is the senior non-Indian information as the time I'll eat offer any of us as if it's not a permissions on fourth time for all I was not sure it is not one live response to cast a request a print I'm running the secret is a secure in our interest in requesting information line is out of wood and some of the fault is held by Antoine interleague S is not still is not ready for the floor in a statement he is ounce from the time of the factors involved now person friendly station purpose they don't offer has made no other than a dime isn't one visit, and when you know when to Fresno: first of all the laws of it comes to this issue and afraid of the great salt on fire and the issue of time for all of the longest is no question about the high-density of this comes a business-funded study them and have wanted only half and Riley is more, as one of the deal with the state of mind off on Federal-state time his modest and then we can have with it is one place and often cannot continue to all of the Interpol submit the profit center for fine and times-week a written statement and write and call altar of the times and integrated often than not knowing how the problem is I hope that it was a citizen 91, one that I'm an optimist and the way he's been on the dancers, says the night of the spawned by phone at a time is off on a 2001 and column ideas about the 60- person serialization purpose behind is recognizing the tile ad and finding of a complex and often not make records that are one where you in and riled of it in the on the wrists at any money. That's at all whether the state. Riled up to three is that some of that event, and are divided didn't see we're standing at his name was pretty much, although where Jews and think I'm a reduction in the state department about Asian and information technology to prevent I'm not saying it's not ??..................

This is of D.S.S's, really does have um.. a staff stretched to its Nth degree and the disclosure of information regarding recipients, uh.., is something that I believe is going to have to go into a new system as we automate the intake system of the D.S.S's and it may even require a new way forward for the persons who are programming and providing um.. the technology that...that reduces the cumbersomeness of the intake process, and because of that reason at this time I believe that we have not vetted this thoroughly, particularly as it relates to the cost of how the staff would be overworked in the process of ensuring that the demand is met to provide the full disclosure of all these recipients for all of whom we are now currently spending an awful lot of time and doing overtime to ensure that all the information goes into the system that is required just to get them through intake, and for that reason I believe I heard reference uh..something about a study commission or study group that could possibly take into account all of those cost that we may not see just now, beyond the cost of just of uh..uh.. a criminal background check. Thank you so much. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Mr speaker. Dialer please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if representative Arp would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Arp, does the gentleman yield?[SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Arp isn't all your doing in this bill asking the D.S.S's to follow federal law, ain't that all your doing? That's correct,I ... I would humbly ask that members read the bill and the amendment that we put in there. Uhh.. I believe we've addressed all the federal issues and in fact uh. Representative Farmer-Butterfield spoke to her DSS director, and uh talked with him about his concerns and try and incorporate those in the bill. Um.. I assure you, I to I'm supportive of a study commission, and I'm gonna author that going forward, but what this bill does is um..uh..um.. It alleviates any federal issues regarding the confidentiality, and it sets in place the motion going forward uh.. for the uh.. law enforcement to be initiators of request, but what this does is start the ball rolling. Uh.. There is no language in here uh.. that I think uh.. that was in there previously regarding that, so I'm a little bit confused as to what the federal issue is?[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Briefly debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] I've talked to several of my colleagues about the bill, um.. they don't think its a violation of federal law. If it is, we can look at page 2 section 1, subsection B line 13, that says, to the extent otherwise allowable by federal law. So we're not violating federal law. This bill specifically says we're only allowed do this to the extent that it is allowable by federal law. Um.. I think that this is a good start, um.. I agree with Representative Arp, Representative Terry and Farmer-Butterfield about. We need to look and make sure all these programs, eligible folks are the ones that getting uh.. getting the benefit from these sort of programs. This is something we need to look at statewide. I'm more than willing to do that. I commend your support.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Uh..Speak very briefly on the bill. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Uh.. Members of the house, um.. this bill bothers me a lot from the perspective of what Representative Farmer-Butterfield and Representative Terry have said today in terms of the kind of uh.. responsibilities we are placing on D.S.S to D.S.S. workers who I think all of know in our own counties or are already pretty badly overworked and now we are asking them to do this. I um..I've also heard from my county in terms of the cost of undertaking this uh..this program, and I've also been asked by my constituents why we are doing this? Uh.. In the sense of uh.. To whom .... Mr Chairman...Speaker.[SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose does the gentleman...[SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm just saying there is a lot of chatter around, If you'd be kind.[SPEAKER CHANGES] House will come to order. Member may continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Uh..There's just a big question out there Representative but I'm not asking you to reply right now, but just why are we doing this in the sense of whom..

Are we hurting by this bill? And my y constituents said that it seemed to them that a lot of children's whose parents have not very much money and who are relying on assistance so that they can eat well. Basically there the ones that are being hurt by it. So i just have a lot of concerns about it, I certainly cant support it but I also wanna mention but I'm gonna object the third reading speaker because I have an amendment that I wanted to run and due to the deadlines with bill preparations and all I was unable to work on today so we'll be objecting the third [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Leubke because the amendment change the title the bill will be rolled over til tomorrow anyway. To what purpose is the gentlemen from union. representative Horn rise.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES]Members recognize to debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr speaker ladies and gentlemen, I'm pretty fortunate I suspect. As fortunate as everyone in this general assembly. I've never had to be on public assistance. I've never had to collect a check from the government in order to put food on my table and pay my rent. I'm a very lucky guy. We're all lucky in that sense. But I have for a lot of friends that have not been as fortunate as I or as we. And i can tell you how aggravated they get when they stand in line to apply for or pick up a check and they look around and listen to the chatter. They know whats happening. Those were my neighbors. When i lived on the other side of the other side of the tracks. And they took great exception. They felt they were significantly diminished. Because they felt they were being whomped in by society with these people that were there and did not deserve to be there. You know it. They know it. I know it. And this is good start towards solving an obvious problem. I have a sign in my office that I picked up in the mountains. A simple little sign that says bring back common sense. This is a common sense bill. This is a bill that makes reasonable common sense that those receiving public assistant fearly properly they don't necessarily want to be. This is a common sense bill. And i strongly urge you to support this bill. Thank you Mr Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose does the lady from Orange. Representative Presnell rise.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill, second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members recognized to debate the bill, second time.[SPEAKER CHANGES] I have in my hand the food and nutrition service police the federal policy section 130.01i, the agency must make available upon written request by any law enforcement officer, the address, social security number, photograph if available, of any active or inactive food stamp recipient if the officer furnishes the recipients name and notifies the agency that the recipient fleeing, the recipients violating condition of parole. So I think the issue is that there's an inconsistency between the policy of the food nutrition service and what you're trying to do in this law.. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr Speaker what purpose does the general union represent of our prize [SPEAKER CHANGES] If the general lady would yield for a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady from orange yield the gentlemen s question [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield [SPEAKER CHANGES] She yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ms Hes, representative Presnell I'm confused as to what do you see in the bill thats transgressing the very thing that you're talking about.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Well I just was reading that. Let me pull the bill back up again and look. Its in the same section that representative Baskerville was referring to. So tell me when a PSS worker discovers that they have somebody violating this who has a warrant out or has a parole what are they suppose to do? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to answer the question, is the lady now wishing to propound a question to the gentlemen from union. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry. I'm propounding to ask the question in order to allow me to answer the question [SPEAKER CHANGES] I suppose does the gentlemen from union yield to the question to the lady from orange [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm not sure what I'm suppose to do here [SPEAKER CHANGES] You can either yield to the question or .. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield to the question. The federal law ..

Just so everybody doesn’t get lost in the weeds here. The federal law that governs the dispensing, if that’s a word, of this aid, says that it cannot go o fleeing felons or parole or probation violator. If the DSS agent is made aware that the applicant is a parole or probation violator, they simply deny the aid. That’s what this bill says. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And who does the. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady wish to ?? an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to the question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do, yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Where a DSS worker discovers that they have someone in their office and before them that’s violating this, what are they supposed to do? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Deny the aid. What we have to do is already for food stamp recipients there are several eliminating convictions, disqualifying convictions. DSS agents already check for disqualifying previous convictions. For instance, drug and certain drug charges prevents you from receiving aid. They currently check that. What this bill does is extend to comply with federal so that the entire block grant is not in jeopardized for the very folks that its’ entitled. We don’t want to jeopardize the aid to the law abiding citizen by giving aid to the parole and probation violators. It’s just that simple. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady from Orange wish to debate the bill further? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to ask the sponsor another question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to the question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I apologize that I closed the bill down and so I didn’t have the section of the bill but in the title it says to require DSS to share information with the law enforcement officer regarding an applicant and that is the issue that I’m concerned about. I don’t have any problem with what you’re trying to achieve in this bill, I think the intent is fine it’s within federal law, we ought to be doing it. I just, don’t want to put. Excuse me, I’m debating the bill. I just don’t want to put our DSS Department and Health and Human Services in the position of having to get into some kind of legal discussion with the federal government or with the law enforcement officer. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member from Orange has exhausted her time on the second time of debate. For what person does the lady from Wilson, Representative Farmer-Butterfield rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask the bill sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Arp, do you yield to a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My friend, Representative Arp. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Tell me how will we finance this since the local Departments of Social Services would not be required to cover the cost? [SPEAKER CHANGES] What we are talking about and we’ve got a fiscal note for your review and its on the website as well. There would be$144 thousand dollars to try and incorporate the computer changes, to incorporate the checks that’s in here. There are no costs beyond that to the state and there are no local costs and that’s in the fiscal note. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and I know we’ve had a lot of speakers and I’ll be brief. Just to maybe bring a little bit more balance to the debate here. We did hear this bill in Health and Human Services and I was a bit astounded then and still remain so I guess, but I wonder sometimes when I listen to a few of these debates what the people out across North Carolina listening on the audio, over the internet might think. But frankly I think it needs to be said that, to me anyway, it’s just outrageous that an agency of the state would hold to a belief that they are somehow prohibited from reporting a fleeing felon to law enforcement. Now maybe that doesn’t strike everybody here as outrageous, but at least it does to me. Just wanted to comment on a couple of the arguments that we’ve heard and with all due respect to my friends that raised those arguments. First to the safety of DSS workers, it just seems to me that by having a law that requires them to report that, it takes that decision making process out of their hands. Am I going.

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You’re going to be judged on how many people you refer and how many arrests result from that. How does that affect the performance of your workers? What additional expense, training, and effort has to go into that? And how does that get incorporated by the commission when they evaluate what regulations to enforce? And so, I think, if we’re going to go down this road, we need to be comprehensive about it. Again, let’s be consistent. Let’s don’t have folks getting certain assistance from North Carolina without having a clean record and not being under some type of service or process or avoiding or evading that, and target individuals. And, second of all, we need to make sure we understand the costs that are inherent with what we’re doing, because we’re, in effect, saying you’re going to do more work, but it doesn't cost anybody anything. We know that is fiction. We know that’s not going to happen. So, let’s be real with ourselves. Let’s be true to ourselves about this. If this is, in fact, something we need to pursue, let’s actually look at what the costs are, and let’s go ahead and have that discussion and put it into context it needs to be in. So, I understand beyond third. I’ll stop there, Mr. Speaker. If there’s a questions, but I’ll be voting against it. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Orange, Representative Insko, rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Representative Arp a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Union yield to the lady from Orange? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Arp, on page two, line 20A, there’s a statement that nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize the disclosure of any information otherwise protected by state or federal law or regulations. And so, I assume, if an agency has a regulation that indicates that they may not release the information, your bill doesn’t require that you release that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s correct. We’re not contravening federal law. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 392 on its second reading. So many as favor the passage of the bill will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 96 having voted in the affirmative, 22 in the negative, House Bill 392 passes on its second reading and will remain on the calendar. House Bill 416, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 416, a bill to be entitled, an act increasing jurisdictional amount for small claims actions to ten thousand dollars. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Johnston, Representative Daughtry, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, this is a simple bill that simply increases the jurisdiction of the magistrate from five thousand to ten thousand. When I first started pricing law, I think it was five hundred dollars. Now it’s gone to ten thousand. And this bill has the support of the National Federation of Independent Businesses, the North Carolina’s Chamber of Commerce, the Retail Merchant’s Association, and the Employer’s Coalition of North Carolina. I appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. Seeing none, as many as favor the passage of House Bill 416 on its second reading will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. House Bill 416, having received 114 votes in the affirmative, 3 in the negative, passes on its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Question before the House is the passage of House Bill 416 on its third reading. Those in favor of the passage will please say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed no. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. The ayes do have it and House Bill 416 passes on its third reading. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Fisher, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I was suffering from a malfunction. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady wishes to be recorded as having voted aye? [SPEAKER CHANGES] As an aye. Thank you ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted aye. Representative Harrison. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I had a similar affliction.

[0:00:00.0] A desk failure, the delay of the recordings hasn’t voted up. Ladies and gentlemen earlier today the House Bill 549 was not referred to strike the prior referral of House Bill 549 to rules calendar and operations of the house. House Bill…The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 91: A bill to be entitled an act to clarify the law pertaining to administrative action that may be taken by an occupational licensing board as a result of expunged charges or convictions under G.S. 15A-145.4 and G.S. 15A-145.5 and to prohibit an employer or educational institution or state or local government agency from requesting that an applicant provide information regarding an arrest, criminal charge, or criminal conviction of the applicant that has been expunged. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Daughtry please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, many of you may remember last year we has some expunged bill and this bill comes from the Senate and it makes technical corrections to the expunged bill that was passed last year. The first correction has to do where the Occupational Licensing Board I think is came from the real estate brokers where if your license is revoked or taken away or vacated because of a felony and then it expunged that taking away of the license is vacated and the licensing board does not simply give you your license back but they start from when they have revoked your licensing come forward to make sure you qualify both educationally and any other requirements they have. The second technical correction has to do with mostly colleges and universities and schools would ask you whether or not do you ever have an expungement? If you ask someone whether or not you ever had an expungement it just defeats the purpose of the bill of the expungement bill to start with. So, it just prohibits them from doing that. It’s simply all of these are technical corrections to the original bill and I appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have never seen a bill that was so far ranging with technical corrections bill. This bill does a lot, a majority of the house is either a freshman or sophomore I’m gonna go in the ancient history maybe five or six years to tell that we got where we are. Every year there are all sorts of bills to raise the penalties for various crimes. You will see that in all of the judiciaries were doing, it doesn’t crimes the more, we have passed lots of raising to crimes, on the other hand we are also passing lots of bills to reduce the effects of those higher Senates and they began a process a few years ago of expungement, they have began with juveniles, their kids, give them a second chance then justice reinvestment for example with drug possession basically you don’t get a conviction the first time, the parole and then last year we had a bill to expunge lots of records and on the house of people who had been 15 years and I mentioned at the time I said, “Look at the words of the bill because what it is—is a license to lie.” You have the explicit permission in the State of North Carolina to lie to your employer and say, “No, I have never been convicted when you have.” Well, this bill goes a lot a big step further. This is a shutting the mouth of the employer who wants to ask that you can still lie and say, “No, I have not been convicted.” But this is saying he can’t even ask and I think it’s a little first amendment problem there, the freedom of speech and frankly I’m… [0:04:59.9] [End of file…]

... favor of giving people second chances. I just want to know when I'm giving them second chances that I’m doing that. So, for example, a person… I’m in a law firm. I have a trust account. I have a bookkeeper. I’d sort of like to know if the person applying to work with me has been guilty of stealing, even if it was ten or fifteen, twenty years ago. Like Jean Valjean, I might say, “Oh, it was quite justified that you stole, and come in. I’m going to give you a second chance.” But I would like to know that. But this bill says I’ve got to shut up, and I can’t even ask. And then, I get punished by a civil fine by the commissioner of insurance. I don’t even get a jury on whether I actually did it. I’m thinking that… and then… For those of you that haven’t been here longer than one session, every year the House passes this stuff, and every year I complain about it. Next year, they’re going to forbid me from doing an internet Google search to find out on my own if that person who’s applying to work for me has actually been guilty of things, and probably the next year, they’re going to file a bill to prevent me from even thinking about it. We’ve gone far enough. We know that prior convictions are important. How do we know that? Well, if you look on page two, lines 34 to 48, the law enforcement agencies? They insist on knowing about it. If it’s so important that we forget about all this stuff that happened in the past, why do we let law enforcement know about it? I hope somebody will vote “no” with me on this. We’ve gone way too far. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair would like to recognize two groups before we continue the debate on Senate Bill 91. We have a group of elementary school students from Idlewild Elementary. We’d like to welcome the students, the teachers, and the chaperones. The Chair would also like to once again welcome some of the members from the North Carolina YMCA, a group of CEO’s and volunteers. I think they were out working hard the last time we recognized them, so we’d like for you to also stand at this time so we can welcome you. Please stand. [Applause] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House. When I was in school, used to… if you do something wrong, teacher would always say, “if you’re not careful, I’m going to put that in your permanent record”. It always scared us to death. I never saw that permanent record, but we always knew there was one out there somewhere. I don’t know if they have permanent records anymore or not. But your criminal history is a permanent record. What you do and how you behave is a matter of interest to the state of North Carolina, whether you’re honest or whether you’re dishonest, whether you break the law or whether you keep the law. Now, I’m one of the people who was on the losing side of the vote last session who said we should not be expunging these records because we have a vested interest in knowing who behaves and who doesn’t behave. Now I certainly believe in the, in forgiveness, and I believe that a person deserves a second chance. But this is about what you’re doing legally or illegally and what we’ve said is, “yes, you can commit certain crimes, and then we’ll erase it from the record, and then we’ll pretend like it never happened”. That’s what, that’s what an expungement is. It’s erasing from the record as if it never happened. Well, that doesn’t mean that employers or potential employers want to know who it is that they’re interviewing for a job. They want to know if you’re honest. They want to know if you’re an embezzler. They want to know if you can be depended upon to obey the laws of the state. So now, because of what we did the last session, they’ve figured out, “well, I’ll just put on the question on the questionnaire ‘have you ever had your record expunged?’’. We’re traveling down a road that has no end in sight. Now we’re saying, “no, you can’t even ask a question, and if you asked a question, you’re guilty of a crime. You’re the criminal all of a sudden.” Folks, we’re getting this all turned around. We’re trying to make crooks out of honest people who are trying to hire good people to do a job. I don’t see any end in sight if we don’t stop this. Really, what we ought to be doing is eliminate the expungement bill that -

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Billed in. This body said that if you have gone fifteen years after you have committed certain crime like you stole money or something when you were a young person, you've gone fifteen years, and during that fifteen years you have not done anything wrong, you have three people that are not related to you that are in the community of good standing who are willing to say that this person has turned his or her life around, and that they ought to have a second chance. And maybe you know somebody who has done something stupid when they were twenty two years old and fifteen years later, they still carry around the title felon. Well, it was thought that perhaps after fifteen years, someone could possibly change their life, and that's why we had the bill two years ago. All this bill does is say if you have your record expunged, then you can't ask them, well do you, have you had your record expunged because then that would serve no purpose. These are simple changes that are correct that are technical in nature to the original bill. If you didn't like the bill, then obviously Skip Stam, my good friend and very intelligent person has never seen an expungement bill that he liked. He has got something in his head about expungement, but this bill simply corrects some of the, some of the things that the first bill makes correction. So whether we like it or not, we have an expungement bill. If you want to have that repealed you need to file another bill. This does not repeal it. It simply makes some corrections. I hope you'll vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. Members of the House, I'm going to do something I don't like to do very often which is to speak in support of a Senate bill. But it is, which, which however in this case is a good idea. Members, I just, I don't want to repeat what Representative Daughtry said, but here's the deal. Whether you do or don't like expunctions, this is not the bill to air that grievance or air that support. This is a technical bill simply stating in cases where an expunction has been granted, that in that case, it has the full force in effect in the law that was intended. That is that it, that the person doesn't have to answer about that. That's, that was the intent of the bill. Now if members don't like that expunction bill, you've still got a few hours to file a bill I guess to do something about that. But that's, that, that's another topic for another day. So I would simply encourage members to vote in support of the bill because it is, as Representative Daughtry said it is technical in nature. It simply gives the force in effect to what we've already passed. If you wanna argue about expunction we can do that on another day when, when there's a true expunction bill before us. Thanks. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Duane Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think one point that everybody has possibly lost here is we're all assuming that this is a person that has been convicted, that definitely did it, but if you read the bill closely, it says arrest. It says criminal charges. It's a big, big difference. Representative Stam said he wants to know if someone's committed a crime, and I agree, I feel the same way. I've got a business. I'd like to know before I hire them. But a lot of you know, the way it works, I could step outside this chamber right now and call the police and say Representative Stam slapped me. Which I, I hope he wouldn't do. He's been nicer to me, probably, than anyone since I've came to this chamber. He certainly wouldn't. But I could progress beyond that. I could actually get a criminal charge before they've had a chance to investigate and see that in fact, Representative Stam didn't slap me outside of this chamber. So those are on my record, and again that's debating whether or not you believe in expungements and there's some levels I think anyone here would agree that where expungements are in order, but if, if we allow people to ask for any reason like this, I definitely agree with Representative Daughtry that if we don't vote for this bill we might as well just eliminate all expungement rules. So I hope you'll vote in support of this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jeter, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I like the bill. I do have a concern with it. As I read on page two, section, lines fourteen through twenty two and section C, and, and I understand Representative Moore, Representative Daughtry's argument that we're not debating a previously passed bill, we're talking about a technical bill, but it seems like to me in Section C, in these five, fourteen through.

It prohibits me as an employer from asking the question. Here’s my problem with that, and I’ll speak from my own personal experience. 90% of my business is with the federal government, as a prime contractor. I am required, in order to win those contracts and be compliant with those contracts, to notify them of any employee that I’ve got that’s ever been arrested or convicted of a crime. If I’m not allowed to ask the question under North Carolina law, I lose 90% of my business based on the contracts that I currently have. That’s a real problem, if I can’t ask that question. And for that reason, I have to vote no on this bill today. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Floyd, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak in support of the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I was the one of Representative Stam mentioned that last time voted in support of this bill. When I arrived back to Cumberland County, I had a lot of individuals ask me why would I sign onto a Republican bill? Not understanding the fact that the bill has a large affect on the population that the state handles on a regular basis which is between 35 and 40,000 inmates a year or person that is in custody of whichever law enforcement agency. This bill provides an opportunity for individuals who have made a mistake, we did that. Now we’re just doing some technical amendments to correct that. And I think that it’s a bill that will provide for us what we need in this great state. We have just about stripped individuals of this state of their rights. It’s just the ones that say if, it’s only if you can do, and we will restore, and we just make some technical ??. I strongly support this bill and every respondent bill that comes before this body, I will continue to support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, you can make your own decision up on this bill. Understand one thing. This is not just a technical bill. This is a substantive bill and it is rising out of the fact that now people who’ve had their records expunged, they don’t like the fact that they’re having to ask the question, or being asked the question on an employment application have you had your record expunged before. They don’t want to answer the question so now they just figure they’ll come to the General Assembly and get us to take the question off the list. But you know, when we filed for public office, you had to sign a statement have you been convicted of a felony? I guess if you have, you can get it expunged and then you can answer it as if it’s no. Then you can, maybe we can get the Board of Elections to take that off, so it’d violate our rights to ask the question have you been convicted of a felony? People have a right to know who they’re hiring. They have a right to know who they’re electing. So this is, you can call the bill what you want to, but it is not a technical bill. This is a very substantive bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Alexander, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It’s interesting for me to find myself between some people that I really respect the opinions of. On the one hand we have Representative Jeter, who has told us that if the bill were to pass, it would imperil his business. On the other hand, we have Representatives Daughtry and Moore who eruditely and eloquently have explained to us the limits of the measure before us. And on balance, I must agree with them. There’s a whole lot that we’ve been talking about here that is a déjà vu all over again if you were here when the expungement measure was originally discussed. That’s not what we’re talking about. What we’re talking about is whether or not you can subvert a piece of legislation that we’ve already agreed to by asking what in my neck of the woods they call a left handed

Question, so that you can tip toe around something. On balance I think its right for us to be toe dancing around this issue. In fact, I think Representatives Daughtry and Moore must of been present around 1864, when a young Abraham Lincoln said, the power of hope upon human exertion and happiness is wonderful. It indeed is wonderful, as is the power of redemption, and is the power of this great and aggiss body to keep us from having folks ask questions they're going to subvert the intent of legislation, that we've already agreed to. Which is to allow sleeping dogs to lay and to allow people who have, for an extended period been without blemish to allow their past to slip where it belongs into the past. I'm going to be voting for this measure. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Brandon, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] I hope that everybody understands where a lot of people come from on this. Sometimes it bothers me when people say, we gotta know who we are hiring, as if who is that person. The whole purpose of this bill is who we are, and we are as people. We don't hold people accountable for things that they do for the rest of their lives. It's not biblical, God, if you look at the Bible, the Bible was created in the Old Testament and we lived under curse. Then, we got Jesus and now we live under grace, and because of that nobody has to be responsible for something they did for the rest of their life. It is the basic principle of who we are as people. When you're looking at people and saying, I want to know if I'm hiring a thief. That person is not just generally a thief, he might of stolen when he was 19, but at 36, through grace, through whatever, he's not a thief. You can't label people like that. You can't say, I want to know who it is, that's not who they are. We have a whole book that says, that's not who they are. Thank God, a lot of us just didn't have to have the police around the corner when we did the same things that they did. Are you a thief? Are you a drug addict? No, none of us are. You have to be able to look past a person's, what is on their record or what is perceived what is on their record. You can't just stop there and start labeling people. I would hate for someone to label me with something in 19 . . . When I was 20 years old, I'm 30 years old right now. That's most of the people that we are trying to effect, 15 years out. If you're willing to say I want to know if I'm hiring a thief, well you can always search for that person. But, don't ever think that that's just who somebody is, their record is not who they are. I hope that we can change our mindset when we're talking about who somebody is. Nobody's going to judge you and cast you. You don't want that to happen to you, its a basic principle, judge you not and you be not judged. But, don't cast somebody because they have a record and that's who they are for the rest of their life. You're not a thief for the rest of your life, you're not a drug addict for the rest of your life. You can change, people change everyday and I welcome the change and I hope this body welcomes the change and supports the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Samuelson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Ask Representative Daughtry a question. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Daughtry, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Daughtry, I had some concerns about what Representative Jeter said. I was wondering if there's anything about this bill that would prevent him from being able to meet the qualifications for these federal contracts that he's trying to get. [SPEAKER CHANGE] No, none whatsoever. He can ask anyone who has proposed employee whether or not he's ever been arrested or has ever been convicted of a crime. This bill says, you can not ask him whether or not he's ever had a crime expunged. That's the only thing. We already have . . . The law is now that if you expunge a crime that has been committed then that's an expungement, it didn't exist. You've given the guy a second chance. You can ask them whether or not they've been arrested, whether or not they've ever had a conviction, and that's perfectly all right.

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How does that play into this? Or does it? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It does not. It does not play into this. This is only in those cases, particularly in universities, where you ask the question either as part of the interview or on the sheet itself whether or not you’ve ever had an expungement, and we have passed a law saying an expungement, when you have an expungement, you’re giving a person a second chance, and you can ask him whether he’s been arrested, whether he’s had any kind of felony, and he can answer no because it’s been expunged. We’ve given him that right. This is simply codifying the fact that you can’t have a sheet that says whether or not you’ve ever had an expungement. It’s simply all it does. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If you look at page 2, line 15 to 18, I think we’re talking at cross-purposes because we’re reading the bill the wrong… in different ways. The words “that has been expunged”, that’s called a restrictive modifier, and it applies to any arrest, criminal charge or criminal conviction, so if an employer just says “Have you been arrested?”, if in fact that has been expunged, you’ve violated the law. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Will the gentleman from Wake yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, so in other words if you’re filling out the application and it says “Have you ever been convicted or a crime?” and you’ve had your record expunged, you can say “No, I’ve never been convicted of a crime.” Is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s in current law without this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I understand, but that’s correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, you have a license to lie already. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So when Representative Jeter – [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman wish to ask a follow-up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Would the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] So when Representative Jeter says he has concerns about asking these questions of potential employers so he doesn’t lose his contracts, and he asks an employee “Have you ever been convicted of a felony?” and they’ve had it expunged and they say “No, I’ve never been convicted,” that doesn’t get him to where he needs to be as far as knowing about his potential employee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think that’s correct, although I don’t know federal law. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 91 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 70 having voted in the affirmative, 47 in the negative, The House Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 91 has passed its second reading and without objection – [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection having been raised, the bill remains on the calendar. Last bill on the calendar – I look forward to the debate tomorrow on that bill – will be Senate bill 175. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 175, a bill to be entitled ‘An Act to Make Technical Corrections and Clarifications to Chapter 53C of the General Statutes’. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the 2012 session, Senate Bill 816 rewrote the banking laws of North Carolina. It was the first comprehensive revision in about 80 years. Senate Bill 175 makes some technical corrections and clarifying changes to the 2012 revisions. All stake holders have had input into these changes and I really know of no opposition. I commend the bill to you. I’d be happy to answer any questions. [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the Senate Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 175 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote.

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