[Speaker Change] Senate will come to order. Sargent at Arms will close the doors. The members will go to their seats. Members and guest of the gallery will please silence all electronic devises. Leading the Senate in prayer is the Reverend Peter Milner, Senate Chaplain. All members and guest in the gallery will please stand. [Speaker Change] Please pray with me. All mighty God, Thanks for this General Assembly. Thanks for civility, human dignity, it’s a grace from you oh Lord. And thanks for the simple things like the boys coming here today from Wilson. Thank you for their efforts, what they have done. Lord we ask you now to join us. Deliver us Father from our indulgent hopes, deliver us from our causes, that we may place our hopes, in your hopes. Our peace, in your peace. Deliver us from our strategies and show us your horizons. Lord I’m a flawed man. And I stand before you guilty. But you, oh Lord, love to save those who are weak. Pray that these men and women, that are so wonderfully poised here in North Carolina do great work for this Stat. Would heed the words of Moses. Lord you have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth and ever there formed. From everlasting to everlasting, you are God. And it’s in Jesus name we pray. Amen. [Speaker Change] Senator Pate is recognized for a motion. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. President. The journal of Tuesday, July twenty second, two thousand fourteen has been examined and has been found to be correct. I move that the Senate dispense with the reading of the journal and it stand as approved as written. [Speaker Change] Without objection, the journal of July twenty second two thousand fourteen stands approved as written. Members we have a nurse of the day who is in the back of the Chamber, Nurse Karen Lemmons of Ashborough. Nurse Lemmons, if you would please stand up. We appreciate your service to the Senate today. Thank you. And member’s courtesies of the floor are extended to an honorary page today. Kayla Milton of Wake Forest is our honorary page. Kayla is the great granddaughter of Senator Parmon and there’s Kayla there. Kayla thank you. And members, upon the motion of Senator Arlene Parmon of Riverside County, the Chair is happy to extend courtesies of the gallery to Senator Parmon’s daughters and granddaughters and elder Charles Milton and Angela Milton, Charla Milton, and Shannon Milton. If, if you’re in the gallery if you’d please stand. Be there, right over there. Thank you. Ratification of Bills, the clerk will read. [Speaker Change] Enroll Bills. Enrolling clerk request the following Bills duly ratified for the presentation to the Governor. House Bill eleven ninety five, An act to enact and tap pensions spiking legislation by establishing a contribution based benefit cap to allow members of the Teacher’s and State Employees Retirement system and the local government employees Retirement System who leave employment within five years to receive a return of their contributions with accumulated interest to return. To a five year vesting period for the members of the Teacher and State Employees Retirement System and the consolidated Judicial Retirement System who became members on or after August first, two thousand eleven and make a conforming change to the special separation allowance for law enforcement officers. And the following Bill duly ratified properly enrolled and is presented to the office of Secretary State. House Bill ten fifty six, an Act amending the Charter of the town of Lake [??] to provide the plat and book number in the office of Rutherford County Register of Deeds with an official map of the town’s boundaries is recorded. [Speaker Change] Senator Newton, for what
purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. A point of personal privilege out of order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. At this time, I'd like to send forth a Senatorial statement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth your statement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. President. Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to something, a remarkable accomplishment by a group of young men from my home town of Wilson. We are privileged to have here today the state champions for little league for the, I believe it's the U 11, let me get my reading glasses on, make sure I'm not reading that wrong, but what's remarkable about this team is that this is the second year in a row that they've done it, which is quite an accomplishment. They were undefeated for 2 years, and they're going to represent the state of North Carolina coming up August 1st through the 6th over in Greenbull in the tournament of the state champions. And I just thought you folks would want to know about that. I'm particularly impressed in coach, Sen. Tillman, I wasn't much of a baseball player when I was young. I did some other things, but I was not much of a baseball player. I couldn't hit the ball very well, I didn't throw it very well, and I had a lot of fun but I didn't go very far and certainly never rose to the ranks of a state champion. I never did that in any of the sports that I did, and so the fact that these young men, ten of them are returning from last year's championship team, I just think that's quite a remarkable accomplishment, and I think congratulations are deserved to them and the coaches and their parents for their dedication and I believe this point in time in their lives I hope they'll remember forever and learn. I think they've learned that hard work and discipline can carry you far in life, and I just thought that you all should know about that. Thank you Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, upon the motion of Sen. Buck Newton of Johnston, Nash, and Wilson counties, the Chair is happy to extend courtesies to the 10 and 11 year old all-star team from the Wilson city little league and their head coaches. The head coach is Chris Bass, assistant coach is Wes Pope and Greg Waddell, and as Sen. Newton indicated, they won the State Championship in Curtisville last week, and has a 2 year tournament record of 14-0 which as has been indicated is quite an accomplishment. They're accompanied by the City of Wilson Parks and Recreation athletic supervisor, Braxton Patterson, and they're in the gallery here. If you would please stand and be recognized by the Senate. Congratulations guys, and good luck. Members, we're about to go to the calendar. On the first page, there are three local bills. Is there any objection to us voting those three bills jointly? Sen. Apodaca, what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, House bill 1054, we need to place if we may at the end of the calendar. Sen. McKissick says he has a little amendment he would like to rune, so. And I know we're all anxiously looking forward to that, so thank you. I move that we would place it on the end of the calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection, House bill 1054 will be moved to the end of the calendar. Is there any objection [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sen. Harrington, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To request that HB 1059 be separated out. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well so much for my suggestion. Without objection. House bill 1044, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1044, Averasboro township TDA changes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sen. Rabin, recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. This is a local bill. It's not a new tax, it simply rearranges the Averasboro authority for tourism. I urge your support, there's nothing wrong with the bill, all the stakeholders have agreed that are involved, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further
at ten forty four bearing on what was said is a passage on second reading of House Bill ten forty four own All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote second reading and will, without objection, the Redbird the sky. this Mac is a further discussion or debate hearing on question for the Senate is passed on third reading of House Bill ten forty four. olive plate will say I all puzzle site. no guys have an house built in forty four is passed its third reading and will be returned to the house on the issue of concurrence in the Senate committee substitute House Bill ten fifty nine, the court will really thinking that have arrived as a tax use certain tools. the thought to explain the bill allows occupancy taxes to be used in ways the government would like procedure support a tax increase. further discussion or debate on health built-in fifty nine. on request was sent as a passage. the second rate of House Bill ten fifty nine, All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote , I'm free to do that for so one more time as built-ins. it is a further discussion, but very nonplussed, was sent as a passage on second reading house built in fifty nine, All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote House Bill ten fifty nine has passed second reading and will that objection be rented, third son of God, you shall ask, is there further discussion or debate airing on question is the passage on third reading of the Senate committee substitute House Bill ten fifty nine all infidels. they are all opposed to say no guys have it, and house built into it now is passed its third reading it will be returned to the house on the issue of( supposedly substance around what yields a question for Senator Harrington to yield reluctantly sang another debug mode, the first time [SPEAKER CHANGES] I hear you bungled the second time if you change your vote at a notice I public bills second reading rollcall, said Bill seven sixty three clerk rate of seven sixty three revenue laws of technical changes, sir. right is recognized for the biggest question, so I don't rise Senator Reagan was kind enough to let me run this bill, Federal Reserve has accordingly, I wanted to go was an apostle. usually the focus on the [SPEAKER CHANGES] all right, ladies and gentlemen, this is the revenue laws, technical change bill and then having talked with staff in talking yesterday during the finance meeting. this is one of the purest technical bills ever run. so that we can take pride in that effort as we vote yes for this bill that him us a lot of recommendations and came from the department revenue to clarify some language. any misunderstandings that they may have is what was legislative intent on women recently give you a act as you know this is been out for the public. it's been available to be read. it was discussed at length in the finance meeting and done it all. this information has been at each member is it on their website so that they'll be able to have that section one. clarify changes in a nut to retailers contractors in earlier legislation is prospective only section to clarify changes need to drug collections and sales taxes on rental of private residences, applies only to private residences, section four allows the camera manufacturers of paper products to collect the new believer tax on Internet sales, while maintaining the current practice that allows wholesalers, retailers and dealers to remit
Head of manufacturers. That's a huge savings as far as collection for the department of revenue. Clarify that it's the personal income taxes that income of a partnership that is apportionable to certain states is allocated, of course in accordance with the statue. Allocation and apportion of it, section 9 clarifies that a person who is not eligible for a personal standard deduction is not eligible for a state deduction. The last one I'll mention is section 19, establishes a procedure for central assessment of mobile telecommunication property by department of revenue and this section insures that there is no shifting of value amongst the counties as a result of this change. Ladies and gentlemen of this Senate, this is a good bill. It helps clarify a lot of language and I hope that you will support this technical correction bill from the finance. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion or debate? Senator Tillman, you've been recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. President. I have two questions for Senator ??. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Senator Tillman, are you asking for the ?? of yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] I'm asking him two questions, if he'll yield. Would he yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Will you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Will he yield for two questions? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGE] In order for this bill to remain pure, would you not have to flex some of your Yankee muscle yesterday to put down some extraneous, you call non-related amendments, did you not? The paper's full of it today. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Apparently. They didn't use one of my flattering pictures either, actually. [SPEAKER CHANGE] No. They did the best they could with the subject. [SPEAKER CHANGE] It was only--. [SPEAKER CHANGE] One follow up question. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] In order to do some recompense, Senator Edwards, would you take a floor amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGE] You are entitled to put a floor amendment forward, Senator Tillman, if you would like. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Sir. I don't want to. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Okay. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question for the Senate is the passage on the second reading of the committee substitute senate bill 763. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. 48 having voted in the affirmative and 2 in the negative. Senate bill 763 has passed it's second reading and will remain on the calendar. House bill 1224, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] House bill 1224, local sales tax options economic development changes. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Senator Gunn is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. President. It's great to be here today. It's great to have this opportunity to put a major job development bill in front of you today. By the action that we take today, we have the potential to improve North Carolina's growth and their economic development initiatives. We are going to be able to increase our toolbox to allow the Secretary of Commerce, four provisions of the bill that I'll explain in a minute, to give her better tools to make us more competitive so we can bring more jobs to all parts of North Carolina using various tools. Also, part of this bill, we're going to be able to give local communities something that they haven't had relative to their sales tax and that's far more flexibility to invest in public education. We all know and we've talked about it, two of the biggest things that we are trying to accomplish down here, and I think we're doing a great job, is job growth and economic development, and making sure we have an educated public education. We educate these folks and get kids and people reading for their education needs to attract these critical jobs. I am going to make sure that I do not get the auximater. I'm sorry, Senator Barringer, you will be holding onto that, but at the same time I am going to take just a few moments to go over and highlight what I think are very important. I'm going to start with sections two through five, these are four economic development initiatives, two of them I'll spend a little more time on, two of them I'm going to highlight quickly. We are going to make a J-Mack modification. As you know, J-Mack was done back in 2007 and its sole purpose was to make sure that we keep employers and keep jobs in our state. It's going to do four things, it's going to allow the eligibility of large manufacturer employers to.
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him that amazes a lot of people given a little bit of money off the solemnity and maximum investment total, the individual investment. if you are not a credit is only two thousand dollars. of course, accredited investors cannot certainly a participate in a high level of like this crowdfunding the old off. it's been vetted by the security photos via secure estate. we feel like this is a great way to infuse capital and small amounts in much-needed areas with much-needed businesses that are component, all of all of this jobs bill is the sales tax on the extent of government were getting close off a list that the and the Sestak vision is is great because we all know that the meeting County for fun, fun ways to find just like we are in policies on education, on the local levels. what this will do is on the sales tax now will be subject to a two and a half percent cat Argent Dawn will be grandfathered into that two. seven five, since they are currently there are all counties a level of Corbett Austin each and it reminds of each auction up to them.& for transit for general purpose and for education on, they may enact. I have sent for education or general reviews. they may do a quarter if it you have active your two percent now quarter now quarter label later for all either on any combination on anybody that they see fit. all that we think this will do is is give communities particular some of our struggling communities who are desperately looking for income and they cannot raise her property taxes, but so so large is going to give flexibility much-needed flexibility to put an education option out there in the form on a referendum on sales fact that he be very all and also done after this. this is nothing to do with the tax increase. this is authorized now, but through the matter is transit is not being used and will not be used by many, many counties. this is just redirecting the existing authorization of the two and a half percent. I appreciate your support. answer any questions [SPEAKER CHANGES] supports your amendment clerk already satisfying moved to amend the bill. the size recognized explain the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thanks, as it is a very affordable at only deals with the sales tax base that will attach anything within the Belzer relates to the ninety four counties that are not in the House-Senate centerpiece of our article forty three. when and as for the six counties that are the large metropolitan counties where there are actual transit needs different from small, rural, urban, rural counties. it keeps the law exactly the way it is that if the people in those counties want to vote for referendum for House-Senate to go to transportation. they can do it. it doesn't undermine their quarter cent additional authority that they have where their facility. reply attorney general purpose so we got two counties. three quarters baths were orange and dark. they were to use that Michael was a two and a half because they did a half-century and that now they want to do a quarter cent for general purpose they should have that right why the room and orange to decide for themselves. we here in which it would be easier. the court of the# we expect will happen in the next little bit. let people make County decide for themselves that they think is appropriate for how they structure the local government. same with Guilford and Forsyth let them decide now taken over the position of local, county commissions you think I've actually position of the two million residents of Mecklenburg Lake Governor Forsyth 's batsmen a million people. you're saying your judgement is superior to theirs in terms of deciding for themselves how to structure their local government and determine their local problems. I is going to status qua that the last day exactly as it is for those four counties. the rest is all
him you want, not for messing with what you wanted doing accounting. it upsets me that you care about what happened in my County [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion or debate say purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] some context for this amendment, but in the early nineties when discussions started about regionalism and enhanced on transportation. the triangle transit Authority was created in the triangle. it was a much longer name. initially, but it was a franchise in the triangle. shortlyafter, then the Charlotte transit Authority was created transportation authority and shortly after that one for the triad was created with the Guilford County and Forsyth counties. the discussion of that time and an evident that time, a town named José a a and a fraction of the size of it is because this population is almost double the amount of industrial since those discussions ensued. Charlotte since it was clearly have the ability to immediately plan and talk about its public transit system, its light rail system and identified, although they were created after the research triangle Park regional Transportation Authority, but) it had to get the approval of three separate County commissioners of the county commissioners, not just once but towns and cities in those three counties and that proved to be a cumbersome process and enemy him, Kelly Savage 's mind started looking at other things, but God was created. it runs buses all over the research triangle area now these three counties October roll out is in the county, as well as between the major cities and animosities that Orange County 's and wake County were authorized as for the other three counties composing a half cent sales tax on top of the sales tax that existed at the time and it was either at the state level that it is now our town is dying counties or county compose the sales tax as the Mecklenburg County, which accounted for site and effort while not growing at the rate of Mecklenburgand wake, Durham and Orange never had an opportunity to develop this tax has recently County commissioners decided that it is time that they look so asleep at a more comprehensive regional transportation system, but they are in. I think the orange and uncounted if they impose a tax on them agree to do it at the rate of one assets sales-tax County commissioners decided it's time to look at them know about economic development goals. that's exactly what this bill is about the efforts of the major companies in competition with account as it were, empowering to charge an additional sales tax quarter cent sales tax discount is at least as County is competing with Austin, Texas is competing with San Jose, California, Boston, Massachusetts, Northern Virginia and other places were him issue is important what kind of signals you sold to employers in Silicon Valley and Boston route one twenty six Re: with competing daily for the pharmaceutical presence in Austin, Texas,which started out about the same sizes, wake County, but is grown exponentially since this debate began in restricting wake County because the government is ready to go. that would be affected by this Mecklenburg is already done it. they got one. offender working on the second public trip the light rail line that you have to understand is enough commissioners started understanding that it's not just about light rail that they would do was let the next ten years, an increase bus service increase glands that are dedicated to getting people who work not just in research trying to
him him down. Ms. Johnston County on accounting and other places in this area of the transportation increase use of copper will advise other ways. we have express buses that bring people in. so that's what this is about. if you make the decision to punish white count is unique and elegant, making the decision just the punishment County without any justification for it. send this item is working that reason, but nobody is a reason that having the name of arms and armed counties now that is related to study it more closely. nobody has made any real argument is about the County should be able to do that other than justified the other thing that we did last year in the county. we passed the biggest nine referendum issue in history, becoming the approved Requiem is not about an issue to build new schools in this county. so if we impose the additional tax. [SPEAKER CHANGES] it would be for two reasons. number one live up to the commitment with orange and drum counties to fund a public transportation system, which includes buses, at least in the short term, as well as to improve teacher pay. so what you do in this video is temporally actualize as whether we would impose a one quarter cent sales tax, not necessarily for general purposes, but for the purpose of the program teacher pay, since again competing cities, much better than we are all over the country and features an education from different teachers from wake County so that when you vote against this amendment. now that that has advanced him yes it is somewhat further discussion or debate on amendment one hundred on the orchestra I just present all this must all think that minimum is the yesterday of correspondent and not just in actuality all levels the playing field for all counties in all a does all for all weight of flexibility to make a choice between transit order to make a choice between general use or education up to two and a half percent. I am very glad, quite honestly, the wages competing favorably and I expect they will continue to do that. the notepad close to a decade for these saw this on general used to be initiated obligor had twenty seven counties that have done that on him going– you to vote against this update, we have leveled the playing field as we move forward with the grabbing my face in the next couple years are sales tax base. all I am not certain that all the county 's protectorate, but particular or urban counties are going to certainly not benefit from that have a more steady and predictable income stream that will grow moving force on a few knots worked in them [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion or debate on amendment one All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote hearing on questions will set his passage of amendment one. the house bill twelve twenty four oh one favorable vote on all. note five seconds bailout for the voting clerk record the book twenty three, having voted in the affirmative and twenty seven in the negative amendment one fails and the bill is that before you to further discuss or debate on House Bill twelve twenty four. his presence in America were purposely run him gone. they'll floor on [SPEAKER CHANGES] ladies and gentlemen, I would like to share with you are just one of the reservations I have about this particular bail. I am concerned about the crowd funding piece at the end of it on the U.S. Congress passed into law in the sign into law on April fifth twenty twelve. the jobs act, which entitled three includes equity crowd funding my concern is that particular law has now been preempted by the federal are our federal system. it's been delegated to the federal government. my concern is that if uncorrected businesses that decide to use this may be violating federal securities law. for this purpose, and several others. many others probably betting against the steel further discussion or debate thread I thought what purpose run or consider some work for rough things
Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It’s ironic y’all take a pretty straightforward economic development bill and in the process incorporate a provision that will probably do more long term economic damage to the state of North Carolina that all the other little provisions y’all have in here, combined. Two things that this bill is going to end up doing, in a practical effect. One, it’s going to raise sales taxes on people in small counties all across the state. And let me tell you how it does that. Right now, in most counties, you’re at 2% and you can either do a quarter cent general or you can do a quarter cent of transportation. Well Senator Gunn just said in his introductory comments that transit is not used. That quarter cent which exists on the books is not used and cannot be used. So it isn’t real. Right now, the typical rural county therefore has a capacity of 2 1/4 % for sales tax. And what y’all have been outdone is make it up to 2 1/2% and let it go for transit, education, general purpose, whatever folks want to do. At the same time that y’all are cramming down more services and more obligations on local governments, at the same time you are cutting per capita student spending on public schools, thereby forcing local governments to do everything they can to staunch the flow of teachers out of their school systems to neighboring states. So what this bill does is it will, a couple years from now, result in higher sales taxes all across the state that wouldn’t have otherwise existed. The second thing you do is you are trying to kill or no, you’re not trying to kill. You’re just trying to slow it down. Try to slow down the economic engines of North Carolina. When you look at where the economic growth has happened in North Carolina, it is overwhelmingly focused on Mecklenberg, Wake and the triad. And when I say Wake, I actually mean the triangle and that includes eight counties around it. Because as Senator Blue rightfully noted, there are plenty of people in Franklin County who come into Wake County to work. There are plenty of people in Johnson County who come in to RTP to work. Plenty of people in Alamance who go to Guilford. Whereby taking away tools in the toolbox for those communities to figure out how to move those millions of people around in their areas, you are making it so that they are less likely to succeed five years, ten years, fifteen years from now. Leveling the playing field? Do you all think that an employer is deciding whether to locate an RTP or some rural eastern North Carolina county? That’s not the choice. The choice is do we go to RTP or do we go to San Jose, or to Austin, Texas, northern Virginia, to Boston, just as Senator Blue said. So what you are doing is un-leveling the playing field between North Carolina and these other communities that have public transportation systems that we are behind the curve on, and they’re trying to get ahead of, so that we remain an attractive destination for companies and their employees to work. As relates to leveling economic development in North Carolina, I absolutely want us to do everything we can to help rural areas to grow. I know that many of you represent counties that are struggling, stagnating, some of you are even losing population. The programs that we have, that give extra incentives, the economic incentives to have companies located in your counties, I am 100% for. I’m for paying teachers a supplement to work in rural counties because I know it’s oftentimes harder to get high quality teachers to come to rural areas when they want to come live in the cities, where there’s more dynamic stuff going on. Whatever we can do as a state to help your areas grow, I am for. We do that through our general fund. The irony is our general fund is overwhelmingly filled by economic activity from the triangle, from the triad, and from Mecklenberg. Y’all are cutting off your own noses to spite your face. An economic development bill
...that raises sales tax, and mark my words, in a few years it will, in rural counties and hurts the long-term economic prospects of the economic engines of North Carolina. This is an economic development bill that I will be voting against. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Rucho, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You know, we listened to the amendment that Senator Stein put forward, rather long, and then a speech on the negatives of the bill. What I can't understand is how can anyone think of making it easier for some of the low-wealth, smaller counties to have an opportunity to take part in the prosperity in North Carolina is wrong. It makes absolutely no sense to make that statement. And to call it a tax increase so that they, the small counties and the low-wealth counties, will have a chance to meet some of their needs in education, on water and sewer, a lot of other economic development tools by having the flexibility to increase that sales tax, which they were prohibited from doing the way it was originally established, again, makes no sense. How can anyone even begin to talk about economic growth and jobs and this bill stopping it when the results of many years that Senator Stein's party has been involved in running this state, and what are the results. A decline in income, both on a personal and a per capita basis and household income. An increase in government dependency and poverty. We're talking about an increase in job loss, unemployment rates that were double digit, why would anybody want to continue in the direction he offers and his party offers rather than taking steps forward where we see in the past three years 220,000 plus new jobs offered to the state of North Carolina, which puts North Carolinians back to work. That was the goal of this General Assembly and that's what it remains to be with this bill. We're also looking at the ?? in unemployment, which is another landmark that you measure. Ladies and gentlemen, we've made great strides in this state to move forward this economic model. And this is just another step in the direction that we're trying to move this state so that, you know what, all hundred counties are going to be prosperous. Not just six urban areas. An economic value today...viable state is one where a hundred counties and all the citizens can participate. Senator Stein thinks it should just be this urban six. We disagree with that, and that's why this bill is sent forward. And I hope you'll join me in supporting House Bill 1224. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Graham, what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the Senate, for the last week and a half, I've been quietly watching and listening to this debate both at home and here at the General Assembly, and I come to the conclusion of this: If North Carolina is a body, then certainly the urban areas is the heart. And if the heart stops beating, the body dies. Now, it's a good bill until you get down to the last section of it where it becomes hard to separate the policy from the politics of the bill. And today, the governor is in Charlotte announcing a major job initiative, a new company relocated to Charlotte, the largest in the city's history. Yesterday, he made another job announcement. And all that has to do with the infrastructure that we have in place that not only supports Charlotte and Mecklenburg County but the region. We are all in this together. And for the last year and a half or two, this body has consistently weakened the heart. Whether it's Mecklenburg or Guilford or Forsyth or Wake. And that does not make a strong North Carolina. I think Senator Blue and Senator Stein have been very articulate this afternoon in stating that case. I am for economic development for all one-hundred counties. I'm going to support the thumb and the pinky toe. I'm going to support the left leg and the right leg because we're all in this together. But what pumps the blood, which empowers all of us, is our economic engines. [AUDIO ENDS]
And I think that the board of public commissioners in Mecklenberg and Wake and Guilford, both Democrats and Republican, can make decisions based on the needs of the local people. And they don’t need us to tell them what they can and they can’t do. Great bill. Great policy it institutes. Bad politics. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate. Senator Brown, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You know I guess those that are fortunate enough to live in Mecklenberg or Wake and some of the counties that are really thriving, you know I guess you can make these arguments and I can understand maybe some of the arguments. But for those of us who live in rural North Carolina, sometimes these arguments are tough to take I guess for us. You know as you look at the piece we’re debating the most on this bill, a lot of the counties that we represent have some of the highest property tax rates in the state. And the reason they do is they really have very few revenue sources to generate revenue, and they have the needs just like everyone else. They have to build schools, and they have to you know provide a jail and they have to do other things that are required, but they have so few revenue sources to do it with other than property tax that they continuously raise property tax, which continuously puts them less competitive throughout the state. And that’s what you have. If you look at rural North Carolina, you have a bunch of counties with the highest property taxes in the state, which makes them less competitive which gives Wake and Mecklenberg and Orange and Guilford and others more advantage over them as we move forward. And that’s what’s happened. So you’ve got two North Carolinas is what you’ve got really. You’ve got the outlining counties that just can’t be competitive because they don’t have ways to be competitive. They continue to raise property tax. No business wants to go there because of it. And then you have the rich counties that have other options, and can compete on a better playing field I guess. Some of these transit pieces that we’re talking about. Look at Mecklenberg County. They’ve got transit piece they passed. But what does that mean to rural North Carolina? What it means is that Mecklenberg County gets an additional 80 million dollars out of the transportation pot, it goes to them and it cuts all the dollars that go to the other counties because they’ve got this transit system in place. Now that’s great for Mecklenberg County, if you live there that’s wonderful. I’d be all for it. But for rural North Carolina, that means 80 million dollars out of the pot that doesn’t go to your counties. That’s what happens. So again, it takes a small county, makes them less competitive, puts them further behind, and just makes it more difficult to compete. So what you’re trying to do here, is you got to look at the big picture. We can talk about how you support other counties and try to do things to help them, but we can talk about it but we don’t do anything. I think everybody in this body will agree, small counties get further and further behind, rich counties get better and better. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Blue, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown, I want to make sure I heard you correctly when you say that Wake County in trying to recruit pharmaceutical companies, high tech companies or even the filmmakers, is competing with Onslo County. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In some cases, I would say so. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question, Mr. President. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown, you understand that in representing an urban county, Wake County, that I was a major sponsor of the low wealth school formula, which is distributing hundreds of millions of dollars to counties other than Wake County, other than Mecklenberg County, other than Guilford and Forsythe County and the way that we can distribute those hundreds of millions of dollars is because of the pharmaceutical companies in the research triangle park, the digital companies around Raleigh and the other mega-employers who are looking at Raleigh and Austin and Boston and San Francisco and the DC suburbs and the Atlanta suburbs. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Blue, I think this body is doing everything we can with tax policy, with what this bill does in recruitment efforts to make sure
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activity report to the Finance Revenue Laws Committee's fiscal research, just a little more transparency we're adding to the bill. Thank you for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on Amendment 2? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Amendment 2 to- Senator Woodard, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We're on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on Amendment 2? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1224. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no, 5 seconds will be allowed for the voting, Clerk will record the vote. Amendment 2 passes 15 to nothing, and the bill is back before you. Senator Woodard recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. Reading this bill and listening to the debate on it this week reminded me a little of Mary Poppins. A spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down. Well the longer this bill moved around committee it seemed to me that the spoon got bigger and the pile of sugar got bigger. But the fact is, the medicine in this bill got no less bitter for those to swallow. Now we can find good things in this bill, there are things about it I like. But unfortunately it is set up as a false construct, there are parts of it that are beneficial for places in North Carolina, and there are parts that are not beneficial for our larger counties. I represent one of those urban counties. I also represent a county of 22,000 people that are struggling financially. So there are 3 problems that I see with this flawed piece of legislation, one, now we've heard the debate on this and I will continue that discussion, is that it focuses on fault choices that it gives local governments and voters. Secondly, it substitutes good policy with bad politics, just because somebody got their nose bent out of shape about a certain Board of County Commissioner's moving on an action in their district, is no reason to take a good bill and start throwing bad public policy into, bad politics into this bill. These, as Senator Brown correctly pointed out, these sales tax questions go to referendum, referendum, let the voters decide. In my 7 years on the city council, I worked on 2 sales tax referenda, one was the very transit tax we're talking about and as I look around this room I see some of you who worked with me on that bill. I was here lobbying for that as chairman of my NPO, and was very proud when we passed that transit sales tax in Durham. But we also had a sales tax a few years before that, that failed miserably, because it was not well-conceived, and the voters had the good sense to see through it and defeat it. What you all are doing by setting this cap for those urban counties, is you're taking away the ability of those voters to decide what is best for their region. Senator Brown said that you're giving these counties a tool for economic development, you're handing them a tool, but you're limiting the use of that tool. It's like giving them a hammer that has the hammery part, but doesn't have the backside of it to pull the nail out if they need to. You have limited the ability of the tool that you've given here. The third flaw in this bill, is that this is a proxy fight about transit, you like it or you don't, you think it benefits your county or it doesn't. You've heard my colleagues from Wake and Mecklenburg talk about how transit is the important part that drives economic development in our communities, and by limiting our ability to do that you're going to be choking off that economic development. One of the best stories about transit in this region as I heard from an executive in RTP, he relocated his firm from a northeastern state to the Wake County portion of RTP, Senator Barringer, Senator Stein's district, and the reason he- and I have heard him say this many times and I had him explain it to me, his decision to relocate from the northeast he told me was made in the backseat of a taxi cab in Atlanta, Georgia, because he was stuck in rush-hour traffic. That's why he came here, and not Atlanta, for his firm. You all are going to continue to choke off those companies who wanna come here and do that. We can talk about Texas, Senator Apodaca talked about his home state and talked about cities there, but one he didn't mention was Dallas, Fort Worth
Representative: Probably the best comparisons that we have to the triangle, triad, maybe even the McClemburgh area, because you have two cities in the middle almost identical to what we have. Their light rail system is working and that is where you see a lot of growth. We are competing against the Dallas Fort Worth area as well. You’ve seen economic development in the triangle, triad, McClemburgh area transfer those jobs and facilities to other parts of the state. Look at the Merck plant that moved its facility after starting down to Durham. Look at Glaxosmithkline’s expansion into some of our counties as well. We incubate them in the urban areas and then they spread out to the rural areas. This does not have to be an urban rural fight, it can be… Speaker: Senator Brock, for what purpose do you rise? Representative: Will Senator yield for a question? Speaker: Senator do you yield? Representative: sure. Speaker: He yields. Representative: let me get this right. You said the Merck plant started in Durham then moved to Houston? Representative: They expanded their operations. Representative: Follow up? Speaker: Senator Water, do you yield for a follow up? Representative: Sure. Speaker: He yields. Representative: I know a lot about those two plants. The plant was in Wilson well before it was in Durham. Wasn’t the one in Durham here on late night session gave the company a $20 million bonus to move here, even though Merck pharmaceuticals did not like incentives? Representative: Similar to the incentives in this bill? Is that right? Representative: No, I was just making sure we had.. you may have been on city council then… Representative: I was on city council then, so, I am not sure senator. Representative: Follow up? Speaker: Senator Water, do you yield for a follow up? Representative: Sure. Speaker: He yields. Representative: On that policy, Terry Sanford Jr. bought that land at $1700 an acre, which, is pretty land anywhere you find in NC, but that was in the [xx] park, and I think he was standing at about $10 million on it. do you believe in that kind of job economic policy? Representative: Follow up? Speaker: Senator Water, do you yield for a follow up? Representative: Sure. Speaker: He yields. Representative: I’m sorry, what was your question there? Representative: Do you believe in the economic recruitment policy that Sanford Jr. was allowed to buy the land at $1700 an acre? Representative: I cannot speak on the details of that sir. Representative: Okay, it was in your district, so I was just thinking… Speaker: Senator Water continues to be recognized to speak on the bill. Representative: Thank you Mr. President. We just saw… we are often accused of only reading NPR, and not the Wall Street Journal, but if you look in the Triangle Business Journal today, you will see the job losses that NC is leading the Southeast in planned job cuts this year. That is from challenger Gray Christmas, one of the states largest job placement companies. Our figures are second only to FL in the Southeast. Yet, if you look at the figures of Gray Christmas, you will see that job expansion is continuing in the triangle. You are going to continue to choke those things off. Ladies and gentleman, it continues to be a flawed bill that we have here. For reasons I have outlined, I would hope that you vote against this legislation. It does set up that kind of false construct. We do not need to have these fights. We do not need a substitute: good policy for bad politics. Speaker: Senator Hunt, for what purpose do you rise? Representative :To speak on the bill. Speaker: You have the floor. Representative: Ladies and gentleman, when I walked into the chamber today, being from Wade county, I planned on voting against this bill. I wanted to protect that ¼ of 1% that Wade County was going to lose in this proposition, but after listening to all this rhetoric from the opposition, it is becoming very difficult for me to do that. To make the statement that we are cutting education spending is an incorrect statement. We are actually increasing education spending since we took over. To say that we are slowing economic growth by our efforts, is absolutely incorrect. The fact is that the unemployment rate in NC has gone from worst in the Southeast to second best. We have had the third fastest drop
him aright in the tree as we just do not economic and regulatory stuff 's been in a very difficult role. to make center of the island probably have to hold my nose anyway in the note thanking [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion or debate that Robinson draws to speak on the veil couple answered with [SPEAKER CHANGES] president this one to speak briefly on the active Guilford County. all of us have received letters from our PT PRP lunch I had partnership. I have enough not to support this, I will heed and now the Guilford County hasn't been as aggressive thing in job recruitment recently we haven't been fortunate tohave the numbers of declarations to move. we really want of the condo we want the job, but as the fighting. just I can tell you is that when we are at it again. our company is in a close to the airport area, and allocated to the outpost job depends on deluge you to get out from Forsyth Guilford from surrounding counties contacted those jobs. and so I got on this need the flexibility of being able tohave that tax increase if they so choose. and it's up to them to make good decisions about what benefits are the Piedmont Triad partnership and so they've asked that we not support this bill because it may hamper our ability to grow without I'm going as fast as we really need to enjoy for how we done a good job in the past and we got corporations icon began life Tim Carlin finished as we brought people from both counties out to those job so they can have jobs, they can increase their income on men is what the tax base as well so I will vote against that because I want all of the account as well and I don't understand why we say that the relative size with that part of the video as effective in counties that given the flexibility [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion through Jackson would procure them for. I like to commend Senator gone or just work on the economic development and crowd funding parts of this bill and console him on the sales tax provision the got tacked on at the last minute. [SPEAKER CHANGES] there is so much good in this talk about crowd funding in particular sends a strong message that North Carolina wants to be a beacon for entrepreneurs and start ups, North Carolina wants the next Google and were willing to take an innovative approach for lawmaking to get it. I was excited about voting for this and then at the last minute that he politics prevail. this bill is like a big delicious hamburger is somebody ruins by sporting mayonnaise all over again. he does things as close business going on teachers in Mecklenburg are paid enough the leaders of that county. my County want to get the residents of that County of them to raise teacher pay is scheduled for this fall. now today, after that vote has been scheduled after a county wide conversation has begun about the cost of the sales tax versus the benefit of supporting our teachers sometimes you want to stop that conversation in its tracks. some folks here think that I is so bad that they need to correct my County by force on for this is the centralization of the politics matter that a county 's needs are. this is how it's going to be this bill takes away little control over local affairs and unfortunately it's part of the trust first they came for the error. now they're coming for every registered voter in Mecklenburg County business first. every registered voter in the County of the right to vote for higher teacher salaries. if you want to vote for that line, but it should be verified by the way you know how much that would affect the rest of this date, not one bit. and yet sometimes you just can't sleep at night knowing that possible for higher teacher pay if I
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This is technically Amendment 3 because there was as an amendment yesterday when the bill was on second amendment. Senator Jackson offered and then withdrew an amendment today, and this same amendment has now been offered and is now Amendment 3. So for those keeping score this is actually Amendment 3. Senator Brown, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Senator Brock a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brock, Senator Jackson’s amendment takes the piece on the gravel out, can you explain to me exactly what that was in the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] During the interim committee, originally when we looked at impervious services, especially with gravel, it got into an ERC Subcommittee , of something we worked on and it got into a, this is more getting into the different types of ways, the different types of aggregate that we have. Once washed, twice washed and it got into a huge issue that we frankly need a little more time studying, make sure we have right. And we should have everything hopefully taken care of and we’ll start again next long session. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Can I ask Senator Jackson a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Jackson, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Maybe. Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Jackson, what House members have you been talking to to get this piece removed? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well it’s ?? House members, Senator Brown. Basically, Senator Rucho, Senator and I worked on this gravel piece together and this is a, we had it worked out in ERC in the subgroup and this is a good piece. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, there’s been a lot of debate on the piece on impervious services as it relates to gravel. If you live in coastal North Carolina, it really effects what you can do with property. We’ve debated this for the last 2 years, and to be quite honest Representative Samuelson has ?? this office over and over. And I just have concerns about this I think the original bills a good bill as it dealt with gravel and I’m going to ask that you vote against this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on Amendment 3? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Amendment 3 to House Bill 201 all in favor will vote aye, opposed will vote. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting, clerk will record the vote. Apodaca, no. Senator Meredith, no. Senator Newton, no. 24 having voted in the affirmative and 24 in the negative. The amendment does not pass. Goes back and forth. Further discussion or debate on House Bill 201? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. Send forth your amendment. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot moves to amend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot’s recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment before you will simply solve the issue that came before us yesterday regarding the storm water run-off rules, falls, lakes in the city of Raleigh. Basically the amendment simply clarifies that the retroactive storm water control shall not be required by private property owners. I ask that you support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on Amendment 4. Senator Blue, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. To speak briefly on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I learned something from my father a long time ago and that is haste makes waste. And we have to be careful in floor amendments. Make sure they don’t have any unintended consequences. I think senator Barefoot for, as a member of the Wake delegation foreseeing that there was no justification for potentially causing the Raleigh waste water system an additional 125 million dollars. This does kill the problem and I appreciate your vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on amendment 4? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of Amendment 4 to House Bill 201. All those in favor will vote aye, all opposed the vote no. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. Clerk will record the vote.
Senator Graham, Aye. 48 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, amendment four passes, and the bill is back before you. Is there further discussion, further debate on House Bill 201? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Apodaca, what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President, I hate to do this to you. On amendment three, I need to change my vote from No to Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Amendment three, Senator Apodaca changes his vote from No to Yes. And amendment three passes, 25 to 23. Bill is back before you on second reading. House Bill 201. Is there further discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage on second reading of House Bill 201. All in favor will vote Aye, all opposed will vote No. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The Clerk will record the vote. Meredith, Aye. Rucho, Aye. Hartsell, Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Parmon. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to change my vote from Yes to No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Parmon changes from Yes to No. 39 having voted in the affirmative and 9 in the negative, House Bill 201 has passed its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] North Carolina General Assembly enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there further discussion or debate on House Bill 201? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of House Bill 201 on its third reading. All in favor will say Aye, all opposed will say No. The Ayes have it and House Bill 201 has passed its third reading. And the amendments will be engrossed, and the bill will be returned to the House on the issue of concurrence. Members, I think there is one bill that we skipped over earlier and that is House Bill 1054. We ready on that one now? Senator Hise, you ready on that? House Bill 1054, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1054. Spindale Cape Fear sewer fee collection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Hodge is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. President. Members of the Senate, the part of this bill that I'm focused on working on deals with the town of Spindale in Rutherford County. This allows them to have their sewer fees... have a collection on their sewer fees that exist for non-users. The question came up in committee yesterday. The fee on this is twelve dollars a month, but this allows them to reach collections similar to how they collect delinquent taxes. And I think Senator McKissick may have an amendment regarding the rest of the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on House Bill 1054? Senator McKissick, what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forward your amendment. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick moves to amend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick is recognized to explain the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I spoke with Representative Hager who is the sponsor of this bill relating to this amendment. He has no objections to it. It allows for the town of Spindale to get what it wants, but it excludes another area that wasn't needed, which he did not have in his original bill. And he supports it. I would ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there further discussion or debate on amendment one? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of amendment one to House Bill 1054. All in favor will vote Aye, all opposed will vote No. Five seconds will be allowed for the vote, the clerk will record the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. President? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Krawiec, what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to change my vote to No. Excuse me, to Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Krawiec, Aye. Senator Hartsell, Aye. Senator Jackson, Aye. 48 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, amendment one passes. And the bill is back before you. Is there further discussion or debate on House Bill 1054? Hearing none, the question before the Senate is the passage of House Bill 1054 on its second reading. All in favor will vote Aye, all opposed will vote No. Five seconds will be allowed for the voting. The Clerk will record the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] 31 having voted in the ...Hartsell, Aye. Tarte, Aye. 33 having voted in the affirmative, and 15 in the negative, House Bill 1054 has passed its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] North Carolina General Assembly enacts. [AUDIO ENDS]
him further discussion or debate on health built-in fifty four bearing on what was in his passes on third reading house built in fifty four all and All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote the eyes have it,and health built-in fifty four 's passive third reading the amendment will be in growth. the amendment will not be engrossed that will be sent with the amendment attached that to the house on the issue concurrence is ugly. that's all the bills on the calendar notices and announced ready notices and announcements [SPEAKER CHANGES] stressed the route will purpose your house you will replace the accession [SPEAKER CHANGES] of their other notices and announcements to further business to come. if not, you recognize the survey for most, [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister President, I move that the Senate now adjourn. subject to messages from the house and the government. the introduction referral referral of bills and resolutions received and read the referral committee reports receipt of conference reports ratification of bills and appointment of conferees to reconvene on Thursday July twenty first two thousand fourteen at ten a.m.. [SPEAKER CHANGES] motion is that the Senate do now adjourn. subject to the stipulation center. they reconvene on Thursday July twenty fourth two thousand fourteen at tena.m. seconded by Senator Davis, all in favor say I all oppose Novy. I sat in the Senate stands ajar All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote