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House | June 12, 2013 | Chamber | Session Part 1

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The House will come back to order. Members, please take your seats. Visitors, please retire from the chamber. We will wait a couple more minutes to allow members to enter the chamber. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, it is going to be a long session today, and the Chair would expect as it gets up into the 90 degrees later today that it’s going to be hot in here. In the interest of Representative Brawley, rule 12d is suspended, and in the interest of Representative Jackson, rule 12b is suspended. Is there objection? So ordered. The Sergeant-At-Arms will close the doors. The prayer will be offered by Representative Sarah Stevens. Members and visitors in the gallery, please stand and please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Better? This is a prayer from Carol Love of Calvary Baptist Church in Mt Airy. Let us pray. Our gracious and loving heavenly Father, thank you for the freedom we have in coming to you with our thanksgivings and petitions. As we begin our legislative session this day, we ask that you would remind us of your many blessings, especially the ones we so often fail to notice. Thank you for our wonderful state with majestic mountains, rolling hills and breathtaking landscapes. Thank you for our rural communities, large cities, suburban areas and still productive family farms. Thank you for your protection over us in both times of plenty and times of want. We thank you, dear Father, for the many evidences of your blessings on all of North Carolina. Now we pray that you would remind us of our need to seek your guidance and approval as we discuss matters of importance today. Thank you for being personally interested in our everyday lives as well as in our legislative proceedings. Guide us as we seek to make wise choices for all the citizens of North Carolina. Keep us focused on the task at hand, and help us not to be swayed by greed or power or special interests. Instead may we seek to know your wisdom, may we evaluate options without bias, and may we be sensitive to your leadership. Thank you Father that you are able to direct our steps and to lead us in our decisions. Lead us in governing our great state in a way that pleases you and seeks to benefit all of our citizens. May we set aside personal agendas and truly seek to serve the people of North Carolina to our best abilities. Bless s this day with your presence. May we be willingly used by you to govern with love, lead with purity of heart, and enact wise legislation for all of our constituents. Once again we thank you for the freedom to seek your guidance in these matters. May we ever be focused on what’s best for all citizens. Bless us, guide us and use us as the strong, honest and caring leaders of North Carolina. We ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ, your son. Amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which is stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, the journal for Tuesday June the 11th 2013 has been examined and found to be correct. I move its approval as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves that the journal for June 11th be approved as written. All in favor say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials or papers addressed to the General Assembly or the House? Ratification of bills and resolutions. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Enrolling Clerk reports the following bills to be ratified for presentation to the Governor: House Bill 29, An Act to Create the Offence of Possession of Pseudoephedrine if the Defendant has a Prior Conviction; House Bill 157, An Act to Protect the Taxpayers of North Carolina from the Diversion of fuel Tax Proceeds for Non-Transportation Uses; House Bill 211, An Act to Modify the Weight Restriction Applicable to Vehicles Transporting Fee that is used in Feeding of Poultry or Livestock when Travelling within 150 Miles of the Point of Origin; House Bill 278, An Act Encouraging Parties to Dispute Involving Certain Matters Relating to Real Estate Under the Jurisdiction of the Homeowners Association; House Bill 439, An Act to Create the Infrastructure Property Tax Deferral Program; House Bill 515, An Act to Amend the Laws Governing Credit Unions; House Bill 623, An Act to Modify Vehicle Weight Limits for a Single-Axle Truck Owned, Operated by, or, under Contract to a Public Utility

House Bill 629, the act to amend the definition of special purpose project to include agriculture and parks to waste disposal facilities. House Bill 650, an act to make clarifying and conforming and other changes in North Carolina Life and Health Insurance Guarantee Association. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Chaptered Bills to be noted. Representatives Howard, Lewis and Setzer are recognized to send forth committee reports, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representatives Howard, Lewis and Setzer for the finance committee House Bill 493, Robinsville occupancy tax, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES]City Bill 25, Hunting and fishing act with duty of military, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Calendar. City Bill 402, Appropriations Act of 2013. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Without objection, calendar for today. So ordered. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair would like to extend the courtesies of the floor. The House will come to order. The Chair would like to extend the courtesies of the floor to a former member, Representative Lane Brown, represented Stanley county. Lane, welcome. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the House will come to order. I doubt we'll have that much energy around 9 o'clock tonight when we get finished, you all may want to conserve it. The Chair is happy to extend a thank you and a welcome to the nurses of the day, we have 2 nurses of the day. One nurse, Melissa Asage, PhD, RNBC from Hillsboro, another, Brittany Demiglio, RN, BSN, also from Hillsboro. Welcome and thank you for serving us. Ladies and gentlemen, we are about to begin the calendar. We are going to dispose of some bills before we, the House will come to order. The House will come to order. The Chair thanks the members for their indulgence. We are going to begin the calendar today, there are some reminders. One reminder, all amendments for the budget bill must be in the possession of the clerk no later than 2 PM, there will be no exceptions. We will take up the debate on amendments before we take up substantive debate on the bill. We will allow the Chairs to provide an update, but the Chair would like to, in order to manage the flow, I think it's more appropriate for us to take up the amendments, determine what the bill looks like before we start debating the bill, as some amendments the Chair expects will be adopted. We will allow full debate unless there's concurrence among the members to do otherwise, we'll allow full debate on all amendments as they come forward, and full debate on the bill. If we go up to 9 o'clock, or a little after 9 o'clock, the Chair with full concurrence from the minority leadership will consult as whether or not you would prefer we come back in the morning at 9 AM, or 10 AM, or we simply take a break and come back after midnight and vote on the 3rd reading, and then send everyone home. We'll let that play out over the day, just determining, just depending on how long it's going to take, and how many amendments we get. The main reason I wanted the House to come to order though, was so I can make sure everybody

Recognizes and welcomes back a friend who has been out for a little while and sight for sore eyes, back into the chamber, representative of Chatham, Welcome back. Calendar house bill 473, the concur read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate committee substitute for house bill 473. Bill had been entitled as The North Carolina captive insurance act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman, the representative Dockham appears to be out of the chamber. We'll temporarily displace it and come back at this bill at appropriate time. House bill 688, the concur read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate committee substitute for house bill 688, a bill to be entitled an act of amending the continued education of ?? through certified will contractors. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hardister, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I'd liked to be recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The members in front of representative Hardister, representative Wray and representative Steinberg, please clear the line. The gentleman is recognized to send forth a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Cheers about the distraction by the gentleman in the line. The gentleman is recognized for a motion and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. This is a great bill however I am gonna ask of the house to not concur. There is a little bit more work that has to be done and ?? we can straighten it out. So again I'll ask respectfully that the house do not concur with house bill 688. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the motion to not concur the senate committee substitute for house bill 688.All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Ladies and gentleman, just for the fresh members, a motion to not concur, If you are supporting that motion it'd be a green and not a red. All members please record. Representative Richardson .The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 113 having voted affirmative, none in the negative. The house is not concurred to senate committee substitute for house bill 688 and the senate will be so notified. Ladies and gentleman, we have already read house bill 473, it is now back before us. Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to make a motion and to debate a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the house. I'd move that we do concur. The senate just added actually three different types of insurance:- Credit insurance, title insurance and mortgage insurance to the captive insurance bill and we certainly concur with that and there were some technical corrections that were made. They were purely technical and Mr. Speaker, I'd move that we do concur. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not, the question before the house is the passage of motion to concur in the senate committee substitute for house bill 473.All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members please record. Representative Goodman .The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 115 having voted in affirmative, none in the negative. The house has concurred that to the senate committee substitute for house bill 473. The bill is been enrolled and sent to the governor. House bill 707, the concur read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 707. The bill being entitled an act to direct the department of natural resources to pursue various strategies to ensure that the state shallow ?? navigation channel for safe and navigable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Millis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To make a motion Mr. Speaker and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Our motion is to concur with the senate amendment.

The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Brown moves to amend the bill on page 1, line 5 by rewriting the line to read… [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, I urge you to vote green for this motion, to concur with this Senate amendment. The amendment that Senator Brown added to this bill is germane to this bill. The bill that we voted on in the past was strictly regarding the aspects of our future roadmap for our inlets. This adds the Oregon Inlet Task Force to this bill. The task force is really looking at exploring options between the state and the federal government for our path forward with Oregon Inlet, and I just ask for you to vote green on this motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur in Senate Amendment number 1 for House Bill 707. All those in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members please record. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 115 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, the House has concurred in the Senate Amendment number 1 to House Bill 707. The bill will be enrolled and sent to the Governor. Senate Bill 315. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Committee substitute number 2 for Senate Bill 315, a bill to be entitled ‘An Act to Provide that when a Properly Submitted Voluntary Annexation Petition is Defeated by Vote of the Municipal Governing Body the Municipality has a Duty to Provide some Municipal Services Upon Payment of Defined Costs, to Legislatively Petition for Annexation, Amending the Charter of the City of Durham to Allow the City to Delay the Effective Date of Voluntary, and to Authorize the City Police Headquarters and Annex Facility, Two Police Service Centers, and a 911 Facility, and Authorizing the City of Durham to Construct Water Treatment Plant, Provisions of Article 143 of the General Statutes, and Concerning notes of Deeds of Trust to Reserve Wastewater Treatment Capacity’. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, after some consultation with Representative Hall on this matter, I move the bill be removed from the calendar, referred to the Committee on Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection so ordered. Senate Bill 494. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House committee Substitute for Senate Bill 494, a bill to be entitled ‘An Act to Authorize Community Service as a Discretionary Condition of Post-Release Supervision and to Amend the Requirements for Voting by the Post-Release Supervision and Parole Commission on Matters Coming Before the Commission’. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, this is a bill that makes changes and modifications to the community service post-release and supervision statutes. One of the main changes, it allows for a more expeditious manner. There are a number of additional requests for parole and probation reviews that are coming through the Parole Commission now as a result of the Justice Reinvestment Act. This was requested by the Parole Commission. I know of no opposition and would urge the body’s support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question… Representative Stevens, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Moore would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sorry, I was just looking at it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. These people are just getting out of prison as I understand – parolees, and they’ve not met their restitution and those kinds of things. Will we be looking for the 250 dollar community service fee from them, and if so I guess how do we realistically expect to get it? [SPEAKER CHANGES] What this bill does is it simply… as far as those fees, it doesn’t change existing law as I understand on that issue. What it does is it really deals with how to more expeditiously do it. As far as the community service fee, and I’m trying to pull the bill up itself – I apologize, I was distracted a moment ago. Give me just a second. What this does, it does on the discretionary

the discretionary conditions of probation does allow that the Commission will not impose a condition of community service if it determines that the supervisee has the financial resources to satisfy the order. And then it also spells out about setting the terms and conditions under Section 2 in the event of a tie vote by the Commission, the Chair votes the additional, votes to tie the additional vote, that's just technical. But this is designed, it appears that what happened Representative Stevens, there had been some cases that they weren't sure how to handle them and this does it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, can I ask a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ask a question of the [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, does the gentleman yield? The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Did this bill ever go through a J Committee? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It came through, this one did not go through a J Committee. What happened was this came over as a Senate bill, was vetted through, and there were, that the changes we made Representative Daughtry were very, very minor and we actually reached out to the Department of Justice. I don't remember if you were in Rules when we took it up and they came in and spoke. So I know of absolutely no opposition. It passed the Senate unanimously and so we were trying to be expeditious with it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to Senate Bill 494 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members please record. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative, 2 in the negative, the House Committee substitute to Senate Bill 494 has passed its second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to Senate Bill 494 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee substitute to Senate Bill 494 has passed its third reading and will be returned to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, we're about to begin the discussion and the debate on the budget. Before we do, if the members will please wait until I've, I've got six or so courtesies of the gallery that I would like to do. Those of you who are in the gallery that we are about to recognize, if you'll please stand as I call your name and members if you will please hold your applause until after I have announced all I would appreciate it. First upon motion of the member from Davidson County, Representative Dockham the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies to the gallery to Ms. Tanya Beauman with the State Board of Elections to my left. Upon motion from Representative Rick Catlin the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies to the gallery and Representative Davis to the Carolina Beach Elementary School Government Association. Please stand. Upon motion from Representative Deb McManus the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Jessica Searles, Cara Nevins and Chelsea Harley, teachers in Charlotte Meckenburg schools and Chelsea is Representative McManus' daughter. Also upon motion from Representative Arp and Representative Horn and Brody from Union County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Bill Griffin and upon motion from Representative Greer Martin from Wake County the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the Alzheimer's Association. Please stand. Upon motion of Marilyn Avila, Representative Marilyn Avila from Wake County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the Licensed Professional Counselors Association of North Caroline who provide mental health services to individuals throughout North Carolina. Please also stand. Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome all these. Welcome. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. Over here. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative, if the lady will yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, I did miss one group. Upon motion of Representatives Brody, Arp and Horn from Union County the Chair is also happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to several Union County educators. Please stand and let us welcome you.

Rep. Adams, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded as "aye" on 494 please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted "aye". Ladies and gentlemen, again a reminder: We will- the deadline for putting forth amendments for Senate bill 402, the appropriations bill will be 2:00, and there will be no exceptions. And as a further reminder, it is the intent of the Chair not to accept any amendments on third reading. Rep. Duane Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask to be recorded as a "yes" on HB 688 please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as voting "aye" on House bill 688. Members, as you can see, the staff have entered the chamber, and in the back of the room and in chairs on the side of the room. All members are welcome to have access to the staff as we go through the process, obviously as you're going through and preparing amendments. Senate bill 402, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House committee substitute for Senate bill 402, a bill to entitle an act to make base budget appropriations for current operations of state departments, institutions, and agencies, and for other purposes. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and members of the House, let me begin [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. Thank you. Mr. Speaker and members of the House, before I begin to debate on the bill I do want to take a moment to express the gratitude of the leadership and members of the appropriations committee to the staff. We have- they have worked mightily to turn this document around in really record time. We want to thank the physical research staff, the bill drafting division, certainly the appropriations committee clerks, all the folks in printed bills and typing, and certainly the budget development team, and all of the other individuals and I would ask the members of the House to stand briefly and give a round of applause to the staff. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Wake ?? is to have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, I would ask you, if you could try to keep conversations to a minimum and try not to linger around in the hallways, this is going to take a while. Rep. Dollar, the gentleman still has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the House. The appropriations committee is proud to bring this budget proposal before the chamber. We believe that this budget proposal that is coming to you today is realistic, it is reasonable, and it is responsible. And it will place North Carolina's fiscal house on a very sound foundation for the future. I also want to take this moment o thank all of the full chairs who have worked on this and labored in the room for so many hours the last several weeks, Chairman Linda Johnson from Caberras county, Chairman John Holloway from Stokes county, and Chairman Justin Burr from Stanley county. And I would also add tremendous thanks to our subcommittee chairs of the various subject areas, you will be hearing from them shortly, they've done just a simply outstanding job of leading their committees. Members of the House, we have come through a storm. We came through a physical storm like the state of North Carolina had not faced in a generation. We have survived that storm, the skies are beginning to clear, the waters are beginning to calm, and we are beginning to move forward in a bold

new way. we are pleased to have a new governor in Raleigh, we think that the spirit of reform has come to our state capitol we believe our budget has caught the winds of reform and is moving us forward. let me give you just a few details of our budget. in this first year, the houses budget will spend 12 million dollars less than what the senate proposed and roughly 188 million less than the senate proposal. It is over all growth of about 1.9 percent over the current spending. in the second year, we spend about 1 percent more than the senate, 2 percent more than the government, we're sailing down the middle of those proposals. now just like our sonic colleges, we are continuing to work with the challenges of Medicaid and entitlement program, we are able to fully fund our obligations in medicaid with this budget. the house has passed as you know his stork tax reform. this budget fully accounts for the stork tax reform that this chamber has passed in the last week. We are also going back and we are rebuilding our funds. we are placing 200 million dollars in our salary excuse me our savings reserve account against future issues that we have to deal with. we are placing 200 million dollars in our repairs and renovations fund to begin the process of rebuilding some of our instate government structure that has had a lag over the last several years. Our budget continues to reap the benefits of the justice reinvestment act that this general assembly passed two years ago. this budget as i said before it funds our state health plan it sounds medicaid it keeps beds in facilities for those most at need and most at risk open it provides an additional 9 million dollars to address the group home issue that has vexed us. it has provided 5 thousand slots for individuals in need of pre kay services. in the area of transportation it loses in forward concert with the strategic transportation plan that this chamber has passed. in the areas of education it ives forwards with innovation choice in education school safety preserving class size, we are also looking at the areas of commerce and working to reform commerce and how we do business to maximize our job development efforts in this state. we fully funded j dig and other critical programs in that regard. we are looking aft er the needs of our environment and looking after the needs of the whole state government in a variety of ways. this year we provide 5 full bonus days for state employees and we provide a hundred and 60 million dollar reserve in the second year that will be going toward compensation and salary increases in the second year of our budget. ladies and gentleman of the house, we are fulfilling our obligations as we live within our means. our plan is a common sense approach. to provide those services that our citizens need in the areas of education, health care public safety and job development. i am on behalf of the committee i am very pleased and proud to present this budget to you today and i would hope that we have universals support for this proposal in this chamber. the citizens of north Carolina will be real pleased with the work that you do today. Thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate if not just kidding. although the chair does notice there are no lights on at this time further discussion further debate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] for what purpose does the gentlemen from oslo representative cleavland arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] the g has the floor to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you mr chairman. in the area of general government we have a lot of things. the budget provides budget providers citizens to the environment state is to seek non historical sights of museum.

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a reduction in funds that would otherwise be available to school systems, but rather than us going into various line items and saying we're going to make a decision for every school district across the state as to what they value most and what they think is less important, is that we're going to simply say to them this are the dollars we have available, here's our allocations we're going to give you. Now, if you and the Board of Education within you district decide that there is a more appropriate way of allocating the money, you'll have permission to shift that money to meet what you believe your priorities are. The only 2 restrictions really being, under the House budget, that you can't transfer money into the central office to pay more central office staff, and you can't transfer money in a way that would cause you to violate the requirements of federal grants that entitle you to receive those funds. As a result, we didn't go in and make the extensive adjustments to a number of items in the budget as did the Senate. With regards to textbooks, we maintained the funding as it has been for the last year. We have some concerns that that money needs to increase at some point, given the time that has elapsed since the economic downturn and great recession began. However if you consult your budget special provisions, you'll see that in the section that allocates money from the lottery, there are items in both years of the biennium that allocates substantial sums, I think about $26 million in the first year of the biennium, and just over $17 million in the second year for digital learning. And it is our expectation and intention that we are going to increasingly be moving away from hard copy text, and more into on-line and digital resources, and therefore though we are not increasing the money in general fund budget otherwise for textbooks, there is this substantial set aside from the lottery for digital learning which we hope will help to offset or balance out the needs for instructional materials that would have historically been provided through a formal textbook. In addition you'll see in your budget with reference to supplies which are a perennial concern which we hear comments about. Essentially, we are maintaining that funding at the same level although overall we had a little less money, about 1% less to spend on K-12, we're maintaining the money in this budget for supplies. It is done through a combination of money in the general fund portion of the budget, and some additional appropriations also in the lottery category, that you can see in the first year of the biennium, a little over $4.1 million is put into classroom materials and supplies, and about $1.6 million in the second year of the biennium. Another thing we would like to comment on, that is following through of the house position that was adopted earlier this session. You'll recall that Representative Arp presented a bill that would have us determine, in a somewhat different fashion, how we handle school bus replacements. And we have essentially adopted the policies and position of Representative Arp's bill, and that allows us, we think, to make fully adequate provisions for replacements. It provides us with extra funds in case a bus that is not scheduled for replacement should actually require it. But overall it saves us something over $1 million in the first year of the biennium, and I think somewhere on the order of $4.5 million in the second year of the biennium. With reference to the community college system, I would comment on 2 things. One is that we have shifted a small amount of the funding of the community college system, I think

…around $9 million to a performance-funding model. The community college system has itself developed performance standards which do include a high degree of standards that are based on student outcomes. Numbers of graduates, number of persons successfully completing licensing exams following the taking of a course at the community college leading to that license, and other measures of that sort. So, we think that that is a positive step forward. The other thing that I will mention to you that has sort of a desire to enhance performance both at the university level and at the community college is something that we have called, “NC GAP,” GAP being an acronym for Guaranteed Admission Program. There’s a provision in both the university section of the budget and in the community college section of the budget that essentially is premised on the idea that we have a large number of students who enroll in the university who four to six years later have not completed a degree or anything that might be said to be of recognizable value to them. For that reason we recognize that the taxpayers, in paying for students who are at the university, are paying substantially more than if that same student were at the community college system. So, the concept is to have the community college system and the universities work together in developing this Guaranteed Admission Program, in which the university would identify some of those students that might be thought to be least likely of being successful at the university, and saying to those students instead, “Look, if you go back and go to a community college and successfully complete an associate’s degree, then we’ll guarantee you admission at that point so that you can complete the equivalent of your third and fourth years of college and get a university diploma.” We feel like there is a double-win here for us, at least, maybe triple. But from a double standpoint we’re saving money by paying less for them while they’re at the community college, secondly if they complete the two-year program at the community college but never go on to the university, at least they will have an associate’s degree to show for it. But thirdly if they do successfully complete the degree at the community college, we hope that the incentive of the guaranteed admission at the university will mean that more of these students who currently are not completing college will in fact get what they need at the community college level at a lower cost to the taxpayer but then benefit themselves not only with the associate’s degree but with a successful experience at UNC. The final things that I’ll mention regarding the university’s budget, there are three items. Historically the university has had a concern that in sending out acceptances to students in the spring for the following fall semester we typically are working on the budget, as we are right now, that covers that fall semester period. So, when they are telling students who have been accepted what sort of financial aid they may be entitled to there has been a continuing uncertainty as to how much money the General Assembly would actually provide to fund scholarships of various types so that they could know how to divide it. In order to try and compensate for that uncertainty, the decision was made in previous Session to try to go to what we refer to as a “Forward-Funding Model,” in which we would set money aside for scholarships before the budget year in which we are currently operating that would be used for this coming fall. By having that money available in effect a year early the university would know that they have, at a minimum, those dollars available to them. Thus far there is a reserve that contains, I think, just under $60 million based…

on funds put aside for that purpose in a current year budget or previously. We would like to continue moving towards full forward funding and this budget provides a small amount for that purpose. Recognizing that with the financial funds available this year, that we would rather not make other cuts in order to increase that ford funding reserve more at this point. But our intention is to continue that. A second thing that I will mention is that our budget adds back $4.5 million for North Carolina need based scholarships. This is money that was non-recurring money in last year’s budget. It’s used for students who are attending private colleges and universities. It seems to us that this is a wise investment for each of these students that attends a private college or university if the tax payers can assist them with $4500, that is far less than what it would cost us if that same student were to enroll in the university and almost the same thing that it would cost if they enrolled in the community college. We think it is something that we should continue and our budget proposes to make that same appropriation recurring rather than non-recurring. That’s why you see the $4.5 million in here. The final thing I will mention is that UNC, as is the case with the community college office, has gotten the same message that many of us have over the last few years, is that our citizens are concerned about the actual student performances. How many people are graduating, how many people are being successful in their education experience and so the board of governors and various committees under its jurisdiction have developed a strategic plan and they’ve set certain goals to try to move students and campuses towards these heightened accomplishments achievements greater success. In our budget, not exactly, but in large measure, we have duplicated the recommendations of the governor in setting aside specific dollar amounts for specific of the strategic goals of the university. Largely, we think, agreeable to the university, but there may be some small differences on particular items. What we have attempted to do is to identify those particular performance measures that we think most relate to our desire to see enhanced performance for students in campuses and to put a small amount of our money where our mouths frequently are and where we think our goals should be. I recommend the budget to the members of the House. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Henderson, Representative McGrady rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I, like my colleague, want to simply outline a portion of the education portion of this bill. I start, though, by saying that my support for the bill in large part relates to the work that we’ve done on the education portion and specifically while the House, Senate and Governor have largely made the same cuts in terms of their overall percentages, what we’ve done is actually very different. I think we have improved on the budget put forward by the Governor and the Senate. Specifically, we’ve made a decision to protect much more so than the Governor or the Senate, the funding for K-12. We’ve done that in a number of different ways in terms of putting money back for textbooks, putting money back for supplies. Slashing the cuts made to the teaching assistance allotment. While these budgets, they’re bottom line numbers are not that different, at least within the education portion of the bill, there is significant differences. I wanted to point out two or three things and then my...

Other colleagues, Co-chair, Representative Horn will finish up. This bill totally funds the School Safety Bill that we have already passed. We put $10 million for support of school resource officers, and another $2 million for support and installation in maintaining panic alarms in the public schools. I want to bring to your attention the tuition increases that are incorporated in the budget with respect to community colleges. The increase in tuition is $2.50 per credit hour. That will mean that the current tuition will rise from $69 per credit hour to $71.50 for residents, and $261 to $263.50 for non-residents. We similarly have tuition increases with respect to the UNC system, but those increases only occur in the 2nd year of the biennium, and that amounts to 12.3% for a small group of universities, mostly the large universities, and as we learned in the discussion that occurred yesterday in the appropriations committee, that specifically it's based on some tuition surveys that have been done, and generally 6% for all others. I've gotten a number of questions from people that recognize that in the other budgets, the need based scholarship for private college students had been cut, and I'll tell you in this budget we have put back in the $4.5 million that is in this current year's budget. I would recommend the adoption of the budget to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair would like to extend the courtesies of the gallery to someone we should all be proud of. Doctor Mark Edwards is the National Superintendent of the Year, and the Superintendent of the Mooresville Graded School District. He is back in the gallery and Mark, welcome, and thank you for all that you're doing. Representative Horn, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to try and be brief, which I will be. And I'm also going to try and interest you. Now, most of you are already aware of what we are putting forth in our budget, but it's the biggest part of the budget, it's a part that's going to affect everyone in this chamber, all the teachers, thousands of buildings. It's a process that's always in process. What we did do, what this House did, is we restored teaching assistance, we restored $95.5 million out of the Governor's cut and $117.7 million of the Senate's cut for teaching assistance. I'm sure you've heard more about teaching assistance, and how important they are in K-3. Thank you Mr. Speaker. We reinstated the teaching fellows program, and we kept NCCAT, the North Carolina Center for the Advancement of Teaching, and we're looking forward to NCCAT playing a prominent role in moving this state to a new way of delivering education in North Carolina as we move into the digital environment in our education system. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Horn, if the gentleman will suspend for just a moment. Ladies and gentlemen of the gallery, I've been advised by the Sergeant at Arms that there may be some protestors entering the chamber. I have ordered that the doors to the gallery be locked for the purposes of additional people coming in, after the folks that are at the door, Sergeant at Arms, you may allow them to enter. But for some period of time, anyone who wishes to leave the galleries are welcome to do so, but for your safety we will not allow any more admittance until after the legislative police have advised us that all is clear. Representative Horn, the gentleman may continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you. Mr. Edwards, we're grateful for the example you have set, and we're looking forward to the entire state of North Carolina entering the digital world in our education system.

We have also funded some initiatives. It is a responsible thing for this Legislature to do, to fund programs we expect to come through. In particular, opportunity scholarships, opportunity for the poorest among us to have a chance for parents to choose a school that fits them, rather than a one size fits all. We are funding education innovation grants, matching funds to implement the innovation in our education process. Bring in the public sector and parents and families to further our educational goals in this state. In community colleges we have a very difficult decision to make, in moving the enrollment funding for community colleges from a three-year average to a two-year average. And we have, as well, implemented this program that Representative Blackwell talked about, which is truly an innovative program, of NC GAP, the Guaranteed Admissions Program. This is really a revolutionary process for North Carolina. It's going to raise the graduation rates, it's going to give kids that normally fall at the bottom end of the academic ladder and don't complete college, they're going to be able to work toward a certificate and/or an AA degree, and even if they don't complete college, they have something in hand. And in the process, it's going to save this state millions of dollars. It's been a tough year, it continues to be a tough year. I think we've done a terrific job, and I encourage your support of the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hollo, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This section is Health and Human Services. To give you some idea of the impact of Medicaid on HHS budget, and the total budget, our section of the budget is reduced by 2.92 percent the first year, and 4.70 percent the second year. When you add in the woodwork effect and the growth of Medicaid, our budget is higher by 8.77 percent the first year and 12.5 percent the second year. This part of the budget has additional funds that are provided as required by the DOJ settlement agreement. Funds for non-profits: the secretary is directed to create a competitive process to award these funds for the purposes provided by non-profits by the second year of the biennium. The supplemental short-term assistance for group homes establishes short-term assistance for group homes for recipients who became ineligible for Medicaid personal care service funds. Funds are capped at a maximum of $8 million. We provide flexibility to the Secretary to move money and positions within the Department in an attempt to strengthen internal audit capacity. Under the Division of Child Development, pre-K slots, it provides lottery funds of $24,800,000 to fund 5,000 pre-K slots. This will bring the total slots to 30,000. It changes the income eligibility for pre-K from 75 percent of the median income, to 130 percent of the federal poverty level. It amends the matching requirements for local partnerships. The partnerships are require to provide a 14 percent match in the first year, and a 15 percent match in the second year. Child care subsidy from federal block grants to $295 million, the same amount as the current fiscal year. Under Division of Social Services, federal funds for county child welfare services replacement provides non-recurring funding to partially replace the loss of $14.6 million in federal funds. NC Reach, child welfare post-secondary education, provides funds to support ten percent growth each year in the number of former foster care youth and children adopted after age 12, who attend college within the North Carolina university and community college system. The use of foster care budget for guardianship assistance program allows the Division of Social Services to design a guardianship assistance program to provide financial support of children who are in foster care who are deemed to be in permanent placement, permanent family placement, and are eligible for legal guardianship. Under the Division of Aging and Adult Services, Project CARE replaces an expiring federal grant to maintain current Project CARE activities. Project CARE provides respite and other support services to families caring for a person with dementia at home. Tiered State/County Special Assistance Pilot directs the Department to establish a 12-month pilot program [RECORDING ENDS]

twelve. what grants up to six counties implement tiered rate structure for individuals residing harbour residences group owns adult care homes and public health poses for the sixteen children's developmental services agencies in the second year versus apartment. he opened those agencies that have the highest case load children from rural and medically under served areas of the state.the budget provides funds to continue operating in North Carolina. quit lying for tobacco use are met. this permit fee increase for certain food, lodging establishments increase annual food, lodging, inspection fees and seventy five to ninety five dollars, an increase of four Sophia retained by County from fifty to seventy dollars is no increase of funds to the state mental health services and run hospital provides funding for equipment, furniture and IT for new expanded broad hospital scheduled in December two thousand fourteen, as per local inpatient psychiatric beds are better days provides a apartment to develop direct the department to develop and implement a two-tiered payment system for three-way contracts in Mister Speaker Robertson of Avalon will continue [SPEAKER CHANGES] that I was recognized thank the speaker members of the house in the Medicaid section of our budget. the first thing we did is freebase, Medicaid, and that is to take care funding for the continuation of the Medicaid budget and program as it currently exists, and allow for any growth as well as changes in the increases in programs that might take place for the first year playing in that number is four hundred and thirty four million dollars the second year of the buying unit six hundred and seven million dollars. we've also added money into the budget for what's commonly known as the woodwork effect and some things that will take place due to the implementation of the portable care act. the woodwork of faith will bring a problem additional seventy thousand mom individuals currently eligible for Medicaid and have not been enrolled into the system and the disproportionate share hospital allotment that will decrease beginning in twenty fourteen. view to the ACA implementation will take a hit on the safe hospitals of the institutes of mental disease and university hospitals. they receive a portion of this dish payment, there has been cooperation reluctant cooperation, I might add, of all the providers and players in our Medicaid system in order to make the budget work with here. one of the first parts of that is our hospital provider assessment which the state retain each amount from their hospital of assessment will increase from forty three million two ninety five million from the point of the providers. there is now a shared savings payment plan and this will have three components. the first is that ten percent of all the payments will be written with held for the included provider categories and secondly, that is withheld payments will begin to be returned to the providers to achieve to be determined performance goals. and thirdly, there's every an overall savings in Medicaid costs because of better medical outcomes for the Kitsap and from the drug side of things, and you'll hear some about this today in the amendment section were still working with pharmacist to be able to work to control the cost of about medications, Medicaid,and there are good and in several components that will make up that effort to control costs. they are on our special provision side one of the things that would be looking forward to developing a detailed reform so for Medicaid. in this state and this will take place with DHHS in consulting with a Medicaid reform advisory group. this will be a detailed plan, they will not be implemented without action of mother General assembly of the other issues that we've addressed is clarifying an estate plan in the procedures as to when and how the state plan would be would be submitted to CMS in order to get timely implementation in place that we would recognize stating that we hope to achieve this state plant health plan amendments were also better be changing the creating different rates for hospitals and delete created based on regional rates rather than individual at the moment I think one of the things that she and our budget is not so much what you see in it, but what you don't say

Is the fact that we have restored funding to the right school We restored funding to the Adapts, as well as the oral health section. We have removed the insurance premium for pregnant women. A item from the budget, and with regards to the Adapt program we have not added back the funding as the Senate did. But the reason for that, and we've explained it to a lot of people, is there's been an a careful study of their current funding level, and expected funding increases that may come their way. So there is no potential for a waiting list which is what we want to avoid. Thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Charbin please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] First and foremost Mr. Speaker for a point of personal privilege followed my debating the bill. [Speaker Change] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege after debating the bill. [Speaker Change] Before debating the bill. [Speaker Change] Before. [Speaker Change] Yes sir. [Speaker Change] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. The house will come to order. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Just before we began the debate and, and Representative Dollar got up and thanked the staff who we all need to thank for the brilliance that you provide to the state and our, and our citizens at home. And, and make us look good most times. But there's a couple of people that Representative Dollar forgot to mention, and that was Representative Dollar, Representative Johnson, Representative Holloway, and Representative Burr. Over the last several weeks and months I've spent hours, and hours, and hours most often hearing what was wrong and maybe a few minutes of actually hearing what was right. So I just think this, this August body as we're often called owes them a deep debt of gratitude, get my tongue out of my teeth here. And a very, very warm round of applause. [Speaker Change] The gentleman’s recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker. It was an honor and privilege to work on transportation this year. And like many things before we start our work off we got together and decided where did we wanna go, what was the path, and how were we gonna get there. So we looked at 4 basic things ladies and gentleman. We looked at how to make government and transportation more efficient, more effective, and hope we reduce the size and scope. Number 2 we looked at pushing more out of transportation out to the private sector in hopes of developing jobs and, and additional commerce. And number 3 we looked at how can we provide more pavement on the roads of North Carolina, in a effort to bring it back to the, to the good roads state. And on the 4th one we looked at in doing these transportation needs, and addressing the needs across the state. What could we do to also improve on commerce, and job development? So we also looked at what is currently known as the GTP, and looking at perhaps, or actually providing a state, look at change it out to an agricultural inland port. And also looking at how do we improve rail access to that, that would both accompany or translate to rail improvements to both the Wilmington port as well as the Moorhead port. In hopes of growing our number one economic engine agriculture even more so, through more commerce. And with that I'll ask Co-Chairman Shepherd to start going over some of the numbers. [Speaker Change] What I'd like to do first. [Speaker Change] Representative Shepherd is recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker Change] Yes sir, thank you Mr. Chair. What I'd like to do first is start with revenue forecast. Projected revenues is down relative to the fiscal year budget by .02% for FY 14, 1.7% for FY 15. And most of you know this is due to decreasing fuel motor consumption which was down 2.8% and 4.0% respectively. And also a drop in the anticipated motor fuel tax rate, which was down to 37.4% in FY 14 and 36.5 in FY 15. And relative to the FY 13 budget the highway fund revenues are also down 2.8% in the FY 14, and 5.1% in FY 15. Highway trust fund revenues are up 4.8% in FY 14, and 4.7% in FY 15. By both versions, both version restructure the highway trust fund. Secretary of Road Construction power bill allocations to support HBH-17. The house budge appropriates slightly less to the highway fund due to reduced program unencumbered cash balances. And the removal of electric/hybrid vehicle.

so I thought you were advised by the Senate always when presented in the legislative oversight committee of transportation over all the house budget. now we find his point seventeen percent lower in FY fourteen. Point eight percent in FY fifteen major differences in the House and Senate budget regards to money. the health budget directly and seek to eliminate a total of six hundred and thirty one vacant positions department wide. if you're following along with some page thirty three on fifteen new book, an increase of two in a position from the Senate budget three hundred fifty one total, but we gave detonative flexibility regarding which positions to eliminate in addition, a total article positions must be eliminated. of the biennium to achieve increased outsourcing targets, which is our reference homepage K three- sixty I'll help you provide seven. two million in additional funding for economic development initiatives, including six. five million for health education related economic development projects at the Piedmont Triad international Airport and the high County. all that's also rivers on page thirty four Island twenty two economic development. as for the chess notation budget all the governor had three. six million of the Senate put in three. one in Houston in ten. three of the British revenue and other adjustments. the House budget appointments twenty one. eight million less than the Senate for my SNF while fourteen eight. five EMS in FY fifteen. however available funds are maximized for contract research and with John R committee felt was more important give you some also use some other statistics on this primary system, the government, but six one nine four five fourteen, the Senate was one four six. nine thousand one forty eight. seven secondary system, the government 's budget was two seventy. two, the Senate was to send a point. it was two sixty eight. four contract resurfacing with three fifty five. nine in the government, three seventy five.seven in the Senate and as it was four thirty three. five on the increase of system preservation was the governor requests one eight one eight percent one seventy nine. six, and we also help farmer one seventy nine. six on the house side, general maintenance. the governor requested eighty nine. eight percent at one sixty nine. one in the house, we held that the governors and eighty nine. eight all that's just an overview of some of them, all the five that we have them available at his residence were presented earlier and it was Ireland objective this year to try the phone more content surfacing, so that we can present how I suppose I was ever in need of repair but they could be repaired and resurfaced thanks [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Zenon McElrath. please state your purpose to debate the bill, please recognize that I don't think you mistake here. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I would like to present AEI NER project for records under West and me and I mistake present shepherd, but we were quite finished with gestation, birth, in excuse me, I may add it to represent Vogels, the blue half miles long to have# Vincent McElrath. I would like to think of the transportation budget plays that I think more money music Carteret I will be recognized entire runs of dormant, we thank you purpose. I supposedly speak on the debate, it was recognized. thank you the second time sorrow was, just to talk to simply more moment about transportation three hundred and one. six million additional funding is appropriate to the contract resurfacing that you personally just give it to you. in turn we all understand Senate budget would provide the empty the funds to resurface an additional one thousand two hundred miles of riding. that's a lot about one thousand two hundred miles in the Senate, but your house budget would provide the funds to resurface at eight thousand five hundred and thirteen miles of road, which is equivalent to approximately eleven percent of all state

Maintain roads. You can see why we were trying to focus to get the biggest bang for our buck. Another thing you may be interested in, is that your house budget also provides funding to offset ferry toll increases that would otherwise have taken effect July 1 2013. So the house budget pretty much leaves ferries exactly the way they are next year and the next year as they are today. Another thing we also talked about doing is outsourcing. We increased outsourcing targets to 65% in FYI 14 and 70% in FYI 15. We talked about the global transport and we talked about maintaining the ferries. We also require DOT during the bid process to use an item known as life cycle cost analysis, so that you can compute the entire life of the road so the taxpayer gets the biggest bang for their buck. We've also authorized DOT to engage private council to assist with any necessary litigation. We also authorized DOT and the Office of State Budget Management to entertain offers from third parties to purchase the stock owned by the State in North Carolina Railroad company; and that's some of the high points, and that now concludes the report on transportation. Thank you Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ??, is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I represent the west and myself on this, we were chairs of NAR and it was a pleasure working with him. I will present this myself and he will answer all the questions on the amendments. The continuation budget for NAR was 345.9 million and the proposed house appropriated 358.1 million to the NAR budget. The department of agriculture is 114.3 million this year which is an increase of 5.4 million. We provided marketing funds for our number one industry in North Carolina, which is agriculture, and that will be marketing funds for existing resources and also to expand into the international and domestic markets and to provide the wine in ?? council. We provided 2.5 million and 2.5 million in golden leaf money to modernize the farming equipment at our research stations which was definitely needed. We also provided money for the department of agriculture to continue focusing on the Bio-energy sector and to provide a new department in that Bio-energy sector. In the department of labor, their budget is 16.7 million and we increased that by 3.1 million with 500,000 to that continuation budget. In the department of Environment and National Resources, their budget is 129.5 million and we increased that 20.3 million which is a 18.6% increase, but most of that increase is because we added some departments to their section. We added the Clean Water Trust Fund and also we transferred the Energy Department over there from Commerce. In the Clean Water Trust Fund, we also put the National Heritage Trust Fund purpose in there, and we eliminated the National Heritage Trust Fund. We took the deed stamp money from National Heritage Trust Fund and that will be deposited in the Clean Water Trust Fund, so they will be getting approximately 12 to 13 million dollars per year for Clean water, and they will also be buying land with the National Heritage purpose in there also. What we did differently from what the senate did is we made sure that the deed stamp money continues to go into the Clean Water Trust Fund and into the part of instead of going into the general fund. Also i did the the Energy department will go from Commerce to ??

We put money, 3.5 million into the non commercial leaking underground storage fund and this will assist homeowners in cleanup of those leaking heating oil storage tanks so that they can sell their homes This has been a huge problem in the state of North Carolina for low income people and this will help them immensely. We restored the 6 million dollars in the operating fund of the division of parks and recs so that they may have that extra 6 million dollars that only in the house budget. And we made sure that the 75 percent of the ?? Money goes back to ?? Instead of to the general fund. We also appropriated money to the clean water state revolving fund and also to the drinking water state revolving fund and that will be on a recurring bases. The wildlife resources commission, we gave them 14.48 million in the first year and over 16 million in the 2nd year which restores a lot of the money that was taken away from them by the senate budget. In the department of commerce we made sure they have money to increase funding for ?? And also they will take care of the base realignment and closure and we provided a million dollars for that, this will be the year for ?? Make sure that we keep our bases and we provided a million dollars for the industrial commission and that will provide funds to establish a workmen's compensation compliance program and that was recommended by our governor. We also provided money to develop a branding and advertising strategy for the department of commerce so that they can promote North Carolina and we did on the state aid, we did take nine non profits and deleted funding for those and that was about 17.7 million dollars that we did not fund this year but we did fund non profits at 43.2 million most of that going to the ?? Center, we funded the ?? Center this year at 16.6 million in the first year and 20 million in the second year. We funded the bio technology center at 17.2 million in each of the ?? And half of that is non reoccurring. High point market authority we did fund, ?? In the classroom we did fund, the support center we did fund, research triangle institute we funded that because they had some matching federal grants and the grassroots science museums we funded that at a 15 percent reduction but we made sure that those rural grassroots science museums got a bigger percentage of the money then they normally do because we realize that they are the ones who are struggling to keep open they don’t have the corporate support that the larger ones do. So this takes care of the NER budget we did the best we could with the money we had, thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Hurley please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGE] Debate the bill please [SPEAKER CHANGE] the ?? Recognizes to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGE] I am going to start with justice and public safety appropriations Background the continuation budget for the four JPS agencies for year 2013 14 is 2.37 billion the proposed house budget appropriates 2.35 billion which is a reduction of 17.8 million or 0.75 percent . In 2014 15 this reduction is increased to 3.28 percent or 51.6 million. This budget eliminates 119 vacant positions and 812 filled positions and we have asked that any vacant positions within 50 mile radius of these areas from these people who are losing their positions that they be given first choice this budget starts on page i1 and goes to page i13 and in the bill it goes from 213 to 254 if you want to look at that and public safety the proposed budget appropriates 1.7 billion to the department of public safety in 2013 14 which is a decrease of 17.7 million or 1.03 percent from the continuation budget significant actions include 3.7 million for inflationary increases for fuel for the state highway patrol

With the gas prices as they are we needed to fund this. $25 million to upgrade the [VIPER?] system to allow initial first responders onto the network. And you've heard that they've got the equipment, they just were not able to go onto the thing because of the system not being able to get them on there, not enough room. So we now will have this. $24.2 million in savings from the closure of five prisons, two juvenile detention facilities and one youth development center. $30,- $39.8 million in the second year. $5.8 million the first year, and $12.1 million in the second year to fund additional probation and parole positions needed to meet the requirements of the Justice Reinvestment Act. And also, $3.7 million to expand electronic monitoring for probationers because the Justice Reinvestment. [John?] Representative Faircloth will have the rest of the budget. Representative Faircloth is recognized to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. To continue on JPS budget, in the Department of Justice we appropriated $76.7 million for the department. That's a decrease of $1 million, 1.28% from a continuation budget. $1 1/2 million was appropriated to fund 19 additional toxicology positions in the state crime lab. This is one of the number one needs we have in the criminal justice system today. We're so far behind with tests, the courts are being held up, justice is being held up. So we believe this is a big step with these 19 positions. We did maintain court reporters and directed AOC to study the reporting process in the court system. There's now new technology available and improving every day, so we did tell them to take a look at that, but we did maintain the reporters. $1 million in additional funding for the support of both the training and standard commissions. Those are the commissions in the criminal justice that set standards for hiring and for training our law enforcement correctional and other justice personnel. Both the sheriffs section of that and the criminal justice section were funded. 192,000 to the SBI to fund three investigative positions for combating prescription drug diversion and fraud, a growing, growing crime in our state and across the nation and we think that will help them certainly. In the Office of Indigent [dispense?] Services $116 million, that's an increase of $1.7 million or 1.44% from the continuation budget. $4.1 million was in non-recurring funding for the first year for the private assigned counsel fund. That's when indigents require legal services and they are hired by the court system to protect those. We also recalibrated to allow the punishments for certain misdimeanors. Reduce some misdemeanors from one level down to another where we found it was not, would not be unsafe for the public, but would also take away the required jail sentence for those misdemeanors and would therefore mean they were not entitled to have legal services which would reduce the cost to the general public for those services. We don't think there's anything there that would endanger the public. These are minor misdemeanors, we think it's a good move. We, for the administrative office of the courts, we funded $457.7 million, a reduction of 1.7% from the continuation budget. 727,000 of that was to restore 16 of the magistrate positions that were eliminated in fiscal year 2011-12. And we also asked the OC administration to take a $3 million reduction. I would certainly want to point out that the criminal justice system, all across the system, the last time we were together in 2011-12 and continuing on, these folks that work within this system are very dedicated, they're very capable, they do a wonderful job for us. They have bent over backwards to help us meet our budgetary requirements and we owe a token of thanks to all of them. More than a token, we owe them a basketful of thanks. We believe this is an effective budget. We're working toward public safety, effective crime prevention and detection, professional, timely and fair trial services, and secure

...compassionate and corrective correctional services. We believe this budget is appropriate for JPS section, and we commend it to you. The Speaker Pro Tempore: Representative Daughtry, please state your purpose. Rep. Daughtry: [silence] The Speaker Pro Tempore: Any other members wishing to debate the bill before we consideration of amendments? Representative West is recognized to send forth an amendment; the Clerk will read. Clerk: This is amendment ALU-18B7. Representative West moves to amend the bill, page 7, line 8, by deleting... The Speaker Pro Tempore: The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. Rep. West: Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, what this amendment would do, it would divert the master settlement funds from the Golden Leaf to the general fund in the upcoming biennium 2013-15. After that the funds would be distributed status quo, like they are now, 50% of the master settlement would go to Golden Leaf. It's a simple amendment; that's all it does. Appreciate your support. The Speaker Pro Tempore: Representative Tolson, please state your purpose. Rep. Tolson: To call the amendment. The Speaker Pro Tempore: The gentleman is recognized to make the amendment. Rep. Tolson: Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I hope that you will support this. This is a step in the right direction to get this money going back to where it was designed to when we set up these foundations, and so I urge you to please support this amendment. The Speaker Pro Tempore: Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative West to the House committee substitute for Senate Bill 402. All in favor vote Aye; all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All Members please record. The Clerk will allow the machine to record the vote. Clerk: 112 having voted in the affirmative, 1 in the negative, the amendment passes. The Speaker Pro Tempore: Ladies and gentlemen, the Chair will instruct the Clerk to set the voting time to ten seconds for all amendments, ten seconds. The Chair would encourage you, if you choose, if you decide if you would want to vote on the amendments, to be at your seats. Representative Horn is recognized to send forth an amendment; the Clerk will read. Clerk: This is amendment AMD-27. Representative Horn moves to amend the bill on page 16, line 18, by inserting, immediately after the line, a new section to read... The Speaker Pro Tempore: The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. Rep. Horn: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, this is an amendment really clarifies and expands a portion in the lottery that allows, will allow, more bidders, more competitors bidders, and end up saving the state quite a bit of money. I was a small businessman. There were so many state contracts I couldn't bid on because I couldn't meet the requirement for a cash bond of a certain size; I couldn't meet this, I couldn't meet that. It just simply raises the cap so that small bidders can become more involved and, I think, save the state a lot of money. Appreciate your support. The Speaker Pro Tempore: Representative Goodman, please state your purpose. Rep. Goodman: To send forth an amendment. The Speaker Pro Tempore: The gentleman will be recognized in turn. Further debate on the amendment? Any further discussion, further debate on this amendment? Ladies and gentlemen, just for the purposes of moving the floor, unless you to vote or speak on the matter before us, please keep your lights off, and we will recognize you in turn on these important amendments. The Clerk, just by way of explanation, the Clerk and staff are reviewing the amendments to make sure that they are in order, and as they are being provided to me I will -- I've got a stack here -- and I will be calling on all Members who have an amendment that is in order appropriately before us. If there are any amendments that are out of order, we will inform the Member and provide that Member an opportunity to correct it if there is some way to get it in order after the 2:00 PM deadline. Again, I would remind you that in eighteen minutes the deadline for amendments will pass. Representative Boles[??], please state your purpose. Rep. Boles[??]: To make an inquiry of the Chair? The Speaker Pro Tempore: The gentleman will state his inquiry. Rep. Velez: Perhaps it will speed things up if, one one amendment's called up, that the Member who's going to handle the next amendment be alerted that that Member is next. The Speaker Pro Tempore: The point is...

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[Speaker changes.]...The Clerk will lock machine and record the vote. 41 having voted in the affirmative, 74 in the negative. The amendment fails. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, just again in order to expedite the process of hearing the amendments, the Chair is going to assume if you do not have a light on and the cue is zero that the Chair need not ask for further discussion, further debate. I will put the question...at the point and time I put the question, no debate will be allowed...unless...well, in this particular case until third reading. So please, if you do intend to debate, please put your light on. If the light is at zero, the Chair will put the question. Representative Blust..your amendment ALR 21 will follow Representative Fisher's amendment. Representative Fisher is arecognized to send forth AME-38. The Clerk will read. [Speaker changes.] AME-38, Representative Fisher moves to amend the bill on page 112, line 43, line 44 and line 46. [Speaker changes.] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a technical change...does not really do anything substantive to the amendment from yesterday except to ...base whatever changes in childcare subsidy allotment on the American Community Survey which happens every five years instead of the ????? census happens every ten years. We wanted to have data from the five year community survey to avoid big variations and change in the childcare subsidy allotments that happen over a ten year period. The five year gives us a better handle on how much change there will be and it will be helpful in making plans...for the counties to make plans on how to prepare for the size allotment they will have. So I commend the amendment to you and ask for your support. Thank you. [Speaker changes.] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [Speaker changes.] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker changes.] The gentleman is recognized to speak on the amendment. [Speaker changes.] I rise to just confirm...I view this as a technical amendment after the amendment we offered yesterday in committee regarding the child subsidy formula. We were requested by the department to consider this five year look at the populations and seems like a very reasonable thing to do so I would recommend the amendment to you. [Speaker changes.] Representative Hurley, please state your purpose. [Speaker changes.] To ask the amendment sponsor a question. [Speaker changes.] Representative Fisher, does the lady yield. [Speaker changes.] I yield. [Speaker changes.] The lady yields. [Speaker changes.] Representative Fisher, is this American Community... [Speaker changes.] two... [Speaker changes.] certain people. [Speaker changes.] to, ya'know, I need probably some staff assistance with that but I think that...I think that is the great majority of people...but it is a way to tell..to predict...the number ahead of the big variations in change in population that will happen over a ten year period of time. It's mostly a way to avoid those big swings but all of the numbers are captured in the ten year census as well. This just makes for ...more often to have an idea of how many people we're serving. [Speaker changes.] I'd like to speak on the bill, please. If I may... [Speaker changes.] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes.] I received one of these for the first time last year. All the people I asked had not received them. It is very intrusive...very intrusive. I certainly don't think that we...the census is bad enough but...this particular one was very intrusive. ????? one...I'm sure that I'm thinkin' of. Ahhh...I don't think we need to use this for anything. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker? [Speaker changes.] Representative Fisher, please state your purpose. [Speaker changes.] Just to further clarify the question that was asked by Representative Hurley. [Speaker changes.] The lady may debate the amendment the second time. [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Speaker. This is ...the American Community Survey is also a census-sponsored survey but it is more of a sample then it is a counting of every single person and what it will do is it'll give us sort of an approximate...

Yeah of what we're looking at once the census rolls around every 10 years. So it is, it is sponsored by the same organization that does the census every year, thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Stevens please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker Change] The lady's recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Change] I myself was just doing a little research and it says it does a small statistical survey, and apparently it's much more voluntary and not as accurate as the census, you don’t have to answer that. [Speaker Change] Representative Brody please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To speak on the amendment please. [Speaker Change] The gentleman's recognized. [Speaker Change] Just to, well Representative Stevens just mentioned the ID the state there right away. It is, it is mandatory, I've ran across this during the campaign trail and so a couple of people, and they were ?? upset this is a highly intrusive survey. And it is mandatory, and when I called the census bureau to inquire about it, I couldn't get an answer on where in the statutes the U.S. code that this survey is actually authorized. It's under a blanket, the census can do basically anything they want category. I ask you to, to reject this amendment based on the American ?? Survey. It's, it's too intrusive, and some reason I suspect it's not gonna last very long, thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Vensco please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To ask Representative Fisher a question. [Speaker Change] Representative Fisher does the lady yield? [Speaker Change] I yield. [Speaker Change] The lady yields. [Speaker Change] Thank you. Representative Fisher I'm a little confused. But I think what you've proposed is that we would continue to base the change on the census every 5 years, but that we would make an adjustment between those, in the middle of the 10 years with this survey. And that would be in order to help smooth out these huge swings that make it very difficult for planning. And that the numbers then would be changed twice every 10 years, rather than just once. [Speaker Change] That is correct Representative Vensco. Thank you for that explanation. [Speaker Change] Representative Burr please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker Change] The gentleman's recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker I'm really not sure whether I'm for or against this 'cuz I don't think there's enough information at this point to know. I mean we, we obviously know what the outcome is when we do this under the census. But I would ask, I'm gonna have to vote no if we vote on this amendment now. It'd be nice to get more information for us to look at it a little bit more. I would ask that Representative Fisher displace this amendment. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Change] Representative Fisher please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] I would be happy to displace the amendment briefly to get some more explanation for the members. [Speaker Change] The amendment will be displaced. [Speaker Change] Thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Murray your amendment AME-37 will follow the amendment about to be sent forth by Representative Blust. Representative Blust is recognized to send forth ALR-21, the clerk will read. [Speaker Change] ALR-21 Representative Blust moves to amend the bill on page 23, lines 3 and 4 by inserting the following between those lines. [Speaker Change] The gentleman’s recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the House. This is a version of an amendment I have tried in past budgets to get adopted. It addresses one of the common practices that is not what I believe to be good budgeting. And that has been the funding of positions in the budget often many of which are not even intended to every be filled. This allows something called lapse salaries to accrue and allows often time a big pot of money that can be then used to be moved around, to fund things that are not budgeted. Sometimes were talking about millions upon millions of dollars. These are not small amounts now, it's not as big a problem as it has been because in the last few years we've had somewhat tight budgets and there's not as many unfilled positions. But I, I would argue that if we don't do this, and I was told yesterday by staff when I was getting this together, that in this current budget year there are agencies that have done this. Department of Corrections to the amount of 102 million, and this would, this would stop the funding of

Some things that are needed. I'm not doubting that, so I had them change the amendment so that it only applies in the second year of this biennial budget that we're considering here so that we have a full year to address this subject for the next year of the biennium. It troubles me that our budget, if we continue to use this technique, our budget really isn't our budget, because a budget is supposed to be how spending is controlled. It's supposed to be a plan, it's supposed to be a management tool. It's supposed to help inform the public. And if you look at the numbers in the budget, and you've got money budgeted for one thing, for example salaries, and you know that it's not going to salaries, during the year it's going to be moved around, then you're not really budgeting. It just seems to me that if there are things that need to be funded out of lapsed salaries we're not getting full control on our budget, and we're not doing our work if we don't figure out ahead of time where the money is supposed to go, which positions are not needed, which positions are not going to be filled, what kind of contingencies, what kind of areas of spending may need a little bit more of that money that's going to be shifted around. If you have to have some money to shift around create something called a contingency fund and put some flexible money in it. But it just seems to me that this is a very bad way of doing budgeting, it's gone on for years. I think it's time that we as a general assembly come to grips with it and I hope the Governors office will look at this too and we'll address this. I think this is reasonable in that it does give us a full year. It would not take effect until July 1st 2014. I urge its adoption. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I appreciate the gentleman's amendment, however it's sort of the difference between theory and actual practice in state government. I've actually managed these funds in state government going back to the eighties, and the amendment is simply not practical. For example in department of correction you've got to have some leeway with your lapse salary. You just flat out can't run that department unless you have a little bit of flexibility in there to be able to handle things that come up at prisons. And if you don't know all the contingencies that you don't have for a prison then you need to find out. But they're not the only ones. Over in HHS we have institutions that we have to work with all the time that managers have all sorts of problems with. This general assembly over the years has enacted things to try to tighten up on lapsed salaries. There have been some times when we swept up all the lapsed salaries. I remember when we did that a few years ago to help fund a raise. There's more work that we can be doing in this area, that point is well taken. But I also have a concern about the first two lines, 5 and 6, that have to do with salary reserve. Those are the ongoing and the limitations by my reading of this language really wouldn't allow you to use salary reserves because there are purposes you have to use those funds for that are more than straight wages, social security retirement, and hospitalization payments. So while the amendment is very well intended and we certainly need to do additional work in this area I would ask you for the practicality of running state government that you defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] If representative Dollar will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar we have quite a bit of experience over with the department of corrections. Many of these others want the past practices how much in each year has been used from lapsed salaries and moved around, doesn't that give any indication that we could use to more tightly budget that would make it unnecessary to use this almost facade of positions that we don't intend to fill. It seems to me we would have a way of looking at on average what has been the use of this over those years. Last year

Be more up-to-date than previous years, but experience would seem to be able to allow us to project in a much better way than we've done in past budgets. You simply cannot budget - I was going to say every paperclip, but that's essentially what you're talking about. But you can't budget every roll of aluminum foil, every roll of toilet paper, every additional bag of solvent that you need for something out here. You know, at DOT. There are all kinds of things - it's just a myriad of things. And when you get into the details of what the budget reports are, the detailed stuff that we don't see, but that is actually done in the process, I do think that Mr. Pupard???, the new State Budget Director, is going to be working on a number of these issues. He wants to try to get at some of these things. But this amendment at this time, I would just simply have to argue, we don't need it at this time. Let us continue to work on this, and let's not hamstring our operations. [Speaker changes] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose [Speaker changes] To speak on the amendment[ speaker changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] I find myself in an unusual position again. I'm gonna have to join Representative Dollar in opposing this amendment, simply because of past experiences. What you have to understand is that number one is that we fund, unlike many other states, we fund our salaries at 100%. In other words, we fund the pay for all of the positions that we set up in there. And those positions, many times are not filled for various reasons. When you cut'em off with a lapsed salary situation. And we do another thing - we always tell some of these agencies, sometimes to go ahead with a program, and do it within the means that you have. Sometimes, for those important programs, the means that you have are those lapsed salaries. Until we can be more definitive in how we structure our whole salary aspect, we just ought not be messing with lapsed salaries at this juncture. I would hope that you would vote against the amendment. [Speaker changes] Representative Glazier please state your purpose [Speaker changes] To briefly debate the amendment [Speaker changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I, too, join and I think Representative Dollar very cogently explained the problem. But I want to give a tangible example. In the times both under our - when the Democrats were in control the last two years and now the first three that the Republicans have been in control, have been as Representative Dollar stated, tough times. That's meant that one of the things that's been done, K-12, for example, to give flexibility, to give them the cuts. This undoes the flex capacity, because as an example, systems can move salaried positions if they need additional transportation money, or they need supply money, or they need textbook money. All of that is flexible. This would undo the flex provisions that are in the budget for that reason. And because of what Representative Dollar said, I think this really would be bad policy right now , even though I think it's well intended, and hope that everybody would vote against the amendment. [Speaker changes] Representative Hager, please state your purpose [Speaker changes] Mr. Speaker, to see if Representative Dollar will yield for a question. [Speaker changes] Representative Dollar, does the gentleman yield? [Speaker changes] I yield [Speaker changes] The gentleman yields [Speaker changes] Thank you, Representative Dollar. The way you describe these funds, in business we would almost describe it as contingency fund. Would that be correct? [Speaker changes] Well, that could be correct. When you have, say you're authorized for 10 positions or 10 prison guards for example, you're always rotating people getting hired and people leaving. In the time in which any of those positions are unfilled, the amount of salary for that period of time drops into a funds called your lapsed salaries funds. There are restrictions on how you can use those funds, but that is what, for example, a prison dips into to deal with a myriad of contingencies that most of us can't imagine, not working in those systems. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker changes] Does the gentleman yield? [Speaker changes] The gentleman yields [Speaker changes] Thank you Representative Dollar. Would you happen to know, just on average, is there an average number of what we're looking at? Is it 1%, 5%, 10%, just in general? [Speaker changes] I apologize, I don't have the current numbers on lapsed funds [Speaker changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker changes] Does the gentleman yield? [Speaker changes] I yield [Speaker changes] Does, and if it happens as Representative Glazier put out there and as Representative Michaux put out there, does it make it difficult for instance, if you've got lapsed salaries and you move them over to transportation. Does it make it difficult to track those dollars? Can you really look at what you

Put out there versus what you spent, or how do you track your accuracy of your budget? [SPEAKER CHANGES] They still have to keep track of every dollar they spent and what it is spent for, and one of the things that the governments budget office is looking at, they're trying to upgrade their systems. They're trying to get in a position where they can capture that information from all across state government in ways that you can make it more actually useful to us, but every dollar does have to be tracked an accounted for. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stone please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentleman I support the amendment and it goes back for a long time. When people back in our districts ask us questions I remember back in 2010 we had 2400 jobs in prison guards or related to the prisons that were not funded or funded but were not hired. And then our prison guards ask why won't we have help? And you look at the large sums of jobs out there, we've got to find a way to provide better transparency and accountability. Just in 2012 Governor Perdue said that she would support a bill that Representative Gillespie and myself were working on if we give three positions more to [??] at a half million dollars. There was 113 positions already in [??] that hadn't had a job in two years. Sooner or later we have got to find a way to have a real budget, a budget that people at home have. They don't have 113 people in your local business that you fund every year that you use the money for something else. It's just transparency and accountability and it makes better government. So I ask you to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask a question of Representative Dollar please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Representative Dollar I want to follow up a little bit on what Representative Hager said. When you said the money is spent during the year and it's kept track of and if it was lapsed salary that was used for transportation they'd know that. When they go to prepare next years budget is that lapse salaried money shown to be needed for transportation or do you start the next budget with those same lapsed salary numbers? [SPEAKER CHANGES] well it depends on which fund code and how much the mounts of money that you are talking about. The complexity of that frankly boggles the mind when you actually get into getting into all of these spreadsheets. It would stack up on a floor this high. The efforts - and there have been efforts in the general assembly over the last several years to try to capture areas where we know a lot of lapsed salary had been moved into to fund a purpose. To go back and say, okay, lets fund those purposes because that is - particularly if you've got a recurring mater and you got a feel for how much its gonna be, that's obviously the better way to do that and they're trying to do that. But if you put a hard tap on all of that you're not going to be able to operate the every complex facilities, you just won't be able to manage them. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Blust please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time, amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the house, I do have some sort of problem here as a member, not just on this issue but many and that I'm trying to be consistent over time and it sometimes boggles my mind to hear the differences you freshmen wouldn't know that haven't been here, but the differences in what's said now in the majority versus being in the minority. And I guess I have a problem in that I always meant what I said and I always thought a good idea was a good idea. Governor - then candidate Perdue when she was running for office called this whole concept truth in budgeting. And it just seems somewhat - I'm looking for the right word, I don't want to say deceptive but for example, in the Department of Correction if we need fewer personnel and greater inmate medical treatment why are we showing as many personnel as they have in the budget and then not using the money for that, then shifting that money and using it for inmate medical? And I'm using that example because I'm...

told the biggest dog that was the biggest use of black ponds biennium that the departments and it just seems like we were really in a budget and use them. this is a management tool. we ought to be trying to get some sort of realistic estimate on what the inmate medical on veranda be, and we ought to be putting funds toward that instead of the shell game and in which we we like this week we like having all these positions were not enough villain. I'm not one arguing its flexibility. I would just sets aside some funds aside, even if it's education and call them flex funds so that we just have some way of anticipating ahead of time what the situation is going to be at and I think that we need to look at least long term, if not short term at ending this because in the past. this was called walking around money has been the biggest abuse in state government and agencies know they can do this they can. they cannot think it will change now, under this new governor am very hopeful that that reforms will be made will be tighter, but it's been very abused to beauty creates pockets of money that the legislature doesn't know about the public that know about it. we can spend on our own within different areas. the state governments of this has been a big abuse. it's a big issue and I think we ought to grapple with it [SPEAKER CHANGES] is a new stage of purpose to debate the bail jumpers right now is tomato. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you. I guess I'll have to decide within a few minutes without my butt red or green on this, but I would just point out that in Randolph County. when that we started running into financial difficulties, just like the state has one of the first things we did to get our budget under control. using lapsed salaries for anything that we for the Play Station purpose to us. they claim in the second Jones recognized Megan and a second time, [SPEAKER CHANGES] it would just be clear on couple quick points. one gentleman mentioned medical cost relates you can across state government with all of the individuals in the state here predict exactly what the medical costs are going to be banned. your giver Greg Harnack or something because nobody else that will do that interns of cut positions. I will never remind the members that we have spent the last several years, cutting positions. we got about eighteen hundred out of HHS two years ago in this budget, we cut seven hundred and thirty eight positions in the first year and that's net and another net reduction of an additional eight hundred and fourteen positions in the second year, and that's over several thousands of position cuts in prior years, and we've certainly been trying to get our handle on scenarios with positions without also just point out to the gentleman. for example, when correction anybody wants a job over in central prison. there is always an opening yours tonight standing opening over there for thirty some years on the unit. that's the way the system unfortunately rotates so were trying to squeeze out enough think the last several years we have squeezed out everything that we know to squeeze out and I think that the budget did you have before he was certainly a very lean and purposeful budget [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would just requested image of criticism and that is no major purpose time don't reckon estimated in a second laser gel knobby legs a note about of quickly here.but we have true deleting will have truth in budgeting, so people can understand how we budget him us is a good indication what we do, nor the widget known as line items are so we can budget accordingly. active of his amendment. the question for the house is the past few minutes aboard our reps and applies that has to be substituted as an authority on paper, but I all opposed that nopart what about watching recorded about forty three having an affirmative sixty eight negative, the amount of sales spike Rosetta right was that your purpose out was in the chamber and try to get back MAPI record that has no place to memory regarding Iran's enemy. now please take your purpose. I was in the chamber drama get back. I want to be recorded in the New Testament records voting yes General, just as a reminder of the dividing clock is set at ten seconds each year will not

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Speaker. It seems to me that we ought to do all that we can to ensure early childhood learning. As the old adage goes, a stitch in time saves nine. This would save us a lot of problems on the upper end of a child's educational careers. And I urge your support of the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Representative Collins please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] To see if Representative Avila would yield for a question. [Speaker Changes] Representative Avila, does the lady yield? [Speaker Changes] I do. [Speaker Changes] The lady yields. [Speaker Changes] Representative Avila I just wanted to make sure I understand, does this amendment add any new slots that we can fund for pre-K or does it just raise the financial level that we're gonna include so that we'll have to cut out some of the lower income people to add these people in? [Speaker Changes] I think I understand the question that your asking, and that's simply that what we'll do is just increase the number of children who are needing slots. We're limited in funding and we're trying to fund as many as possible. It's why we've added the additional slots. [Speaker Changes] The question before the house is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Gill to the House Committee Substitute for Senate bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 49 having voted in the affirmative, 65 in the negative. The amendment fails. Ladies and gentleman of the House, members in the gallery, please silence all cellular phones and personal electronic devices. Representative Jeter, after consideration of Representative Dobson's amendment, the gentleman will be recognized to send forth AMH-37. Representative Dobson is recognized to send forth AMK-32. The clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] Amendment AMK-32, Representative Dobson moves to amend the bill on page 58 line 23 by rewriting that line to read. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. The members will clear the line. [Speaker Changes] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Basically what this amendment does is add clarifying language to say that, "We will not prohibit those deemed eligible by the ELEA to take AP courses." What the language as it currently could be interpreted to mean, is that there may be some that are not eligible for the AP courses. And basically adding this line clarifies that. And that's what I'd like to accomplish with this amendment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I urge your support. [Speaker Changes] The question before the House is the adoption of the amendment sent forth by Representative Dobson to the House Committee Substitute for Senate bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 113 having voted in the affirmative, 1 in the negative. The amendment passes. Representative Mobley, the lady will be recognized to send forth ALL-62 after consideration of Representative Jeter's AMH-37. The gentleman is recognized to send forth the amendment. The Clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] AMH-37, Representative Jeter moves to amend the bill on page 270 lines 29 and 30 by adding between those lines. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an amendment to the bill that would provide approximately $250,000 in funding for some bike-ped programs that is part of a regional system in our area that is ongoing and is getting ready to be completed. This funding would allow the completion of the project moving forward. And I would ask for its support. [Speaker Changes] Representative Torbett please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak against the amendment, please. [Speaker Changes] Before the gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment, Representative Mobley has advised me that she would prefer for that amendment to occur after consideration of another amendment. So Representative Dobson you will be recognized after this amendment to debate ALE-32. The gentleman is recognized to debate ALL-62. [Speaker Changes] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Both chairmen of transportation want you to vote no on this, but we deeply respect the member bringing it forward and understand he consistently looks after his district. And just want to tell people about –– this has been very confusing, this whole thing about regional bicycle-ped planning....

Dollars available. So try to clear up some confusion, probably why the amendment appeared on the floor today anyway. In the current budget, there are no dollars appropriated, but they have it listed in their account an unencumbered 748,633. Now granted there is three or four projects statewide. The ones that have been acted on are still available and buyable projects. The ones that are in the mix, so to speak. So basically, all this says, is that there is more than two years funding still in the process. So I would respect if members would vote not for the amendment. I also respect a member for bringing it forward. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ?? Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] I thank you Mr. Speaker. This is an amazing program that has taken off in our state that we should be very proud of. Since 2011, since the beginning of the program, with the launching of the Lake Norman, bike pedestrian program, seven more regional planning studies have begun, and these are all requested at local governments. These bike plans, pedestrian plans, are a regional concept. There are six to eight counties involved with each plan, so if there are seven in there, do the math. Seven times eight, of how many counties are impacted. The biggest impact of this program is to our rural counties. Its connecting cross borders with surrounding counties. It is a huge tourism draw. The money they are asking was 379,477 was in the governor's budget. The senate put in 250, and the house took it all out. Now, I understand, there is some probably confusion if you haven’t been involved with this, but the expanding of this program is an ongoing thing. Having money in the planning process, a continuum of money coming in, is a way for us to work with the Federal government to generate federal dollars coming down to support this program , and we would hate to see it get stalled. We are just asking for us to support what the Senate has put forward. Its only 250,000 dollars, but it generates an amazing benefit in connectivity, and tourism with our counties and to let you know that once a planner has been identified to develop this bike plan among seven or eight counties, they then bring their report back to the NCDOT, but before it gets there, it has to have all of the local governments of those seven to eight counties approving that plan. Its a huge process of pulling, within a region, people together. I ask you to please support this amendment, its not a lot of money, but it does make a huge impact statewide. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? Representative ??, please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] See if Representative Carney would be up for a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the Lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will, if its not about a newspaper. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] Its not about a newspaper, its just to clarify what I thought I heard, I am not sure my good ear was attuned to you at this time. Did I understand you said there are about seven more of these projects in the planning stages? [SPEAKER CHANGES] There are, this came from the division, there are seven more planning projects that are in the planning process, and it takes money for those planning programs to get gear up for the planners to go from county to county and working within those seven to eight counties. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Additional question Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the Lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] So could we envision, the small amount of money, which I agree it is, and I respect you for bringing it up, but the small amount of money from this fund, which is like a large amount of money, obviously the 51 million plus. Do you anticipate these and other projects will being coming forward in the future to take a small amount of money from this fund also? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well I would hope it would not have to come out of this fund in the future, that it would just become a line item budget that we continue to fund as the program grows, and we start seeing the benefit of this program. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] The question before the house is to pass the amendment set forth by Rep. ?? to the House Committee Substitute, to senate bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no.

The clerk will have the machine record the vote. Fifty two having voted in the affirmative, sixty two in the negative, the amendment fails. Representative Burr, the gentleman will be recognized to send forth ALE-67, after consideration of Representative Dobson, Representative Dobson is recognized to send forth ALE-32, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dobson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just request that we displace this amendement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The bill will be displaced. Alright the amendment will be displaced. Representative Faircloth, the gentleman will be recognized to send forth AMD-30 after consideration of amendement ALE-67. Representative Burr is recognized to send forth the amendment, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Amendment ALL-67, Representative Burr moves to amend the bill on page two forty six, line thirty two through page two fifty four, line three. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, this is just an amendment to try to continue to address some different concerns that have we been trying to work out some of the members. What this amendment would do is it still leaves in place a consolidation of District six, which is six A and six B right now. The prosecuture on the district court districts, and it will also this amendment will leave nineteen B as it currently is with Randolph and Montgomery county. What it will do is leave as well Anson and Richmond in their individual prosecutoral district and Stanley County will become the twenty A prosecutoral district and it also will after a request of Representative Moore in looking at the need of judges in increases the seat of District Court Judge in District twenty seven B. I can tell you for those of you wondering the caseload that this is information we have from the administrative offices of the court as to the need, for example six A and six B, they currently authorize six judges and the unrounded judges needed is four point two three. So we're simply reducing them to what they are needed and are trying to take the funds available and increase the need where it is actually needed to cover other areas as well and I would ask for member support. I believe Representative Brody's issues have been addressed, as well as Representative Hurley's and some others so we're just simply trying to keep this moving forward, but I'll work with members as needs be. So I would ask for your support. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask the amendment sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Burr, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Representative Burr. My question is, is anybody from the District Court judges or the Superior Court judges or the District Attorneys been consulted about this? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well AOC has put together the sheets and such that we've worked on so this is simply continuing to make those changes as needed, so I mean there've been some discussions there. Everything as we worked to change the districts around were based on the formulas that we have from administrative offices of the court. So were trying to make changes that that fit with the caseload there as well. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Specifically, have the district attorneys in this district asked for this, or the Superior Court judges or the District Court judges or the lawyers? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's what we've been working on as we've worked to change the districts obviously that the DA for Anson, Richman, Stanley currently wanted to keep his district. We worked to do that. My Montgomery County, the county that I represent Montgomery county, a lot of the citizens in the County would like to come into a district with Stanley and Montgomery. The judges in Randolph County requested to keep Montgomery. Some of them have family that live there and they won't still be able to vote for them so we tried to make changes for their needs. We're simply trying to make changes that my concern is trying to work with my community, Stanley county, a lot of folks that want to get out of the current twentieth judicial district and move into another. We've look at other options. I have worked in the past four years, trying to look at Union County, which is the district we used to be with. They're a single member County, they don't want to have another county with them, and we've looked at Cabarrus. They're one of the county, we're kind of like the redheaded stepchild, we've tried to find a way to address our issues but keep this budget neutral and this is what this bill will do, this part of the bill will do is keep this budget neutral, put resources where they're actually needed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mobley, please state your purpose.

ask a question of the amendment sponsor? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Burr, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Rep. Burr, would you review for me please what you said about 6a and 6b? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes ma'am, it says that the need for district court based on the workload formula, the data they have through June 30th of 2012, that there is a need of- that you currently have 6 judges authorized and there is a need for 4.23, that is an unrounded number. So you have a need of fewer judges in your district is what they're saying. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Did you make any commend with regard to the prosecutorial par? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I can read that. Their caseload is based on what is needed for staffing for ADA purposes, and I'll be happy to bring that sheet over to you. It says that you should currently- I think that in terms of that, you shouldn't see any changes within that. It should be roughly what it is now in terms of the ADA position like a lot of others in the state, you probably are underfunded, but so is everybody else when it comes to ADAs. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Are you still talking about combining the prosecutorial districts? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's correct, yes ma'am. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes ma'am. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Wish to speak Mr. ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you sir. The information with regard to the judges, I spoke with a couple of our judges from 6a and 6b on yesterday, and I was assured that the numbers are skewed a bit because the rural areas tend to do differently in their deliberations of cases in the various districts. They have a lot less resources, they have a lot more area to cover, and I don't think this study or the numbers presented are favorable when it comes to laying out the staff that is available to them. So I certainly will not be voting for this amendment. And secondly, yes, the numbers are remaining the same. But it's difficult for me to understand how for the prosecutorial district as well as a district court judges, how you're going to separate them from the Superior Court judges? It's different, it's difficult for me to understand that and I will not be voting in favor of this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask Rep. Burr a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Burr, in looking at this, 6a and 6b- no, back up, when we started out, there were 2 superior court judges, 6a and 6a. One in 6a and one in 6b. And you maintain that, correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up, Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So what you did then, you came back in 6a and 6b for district court, you made 6a and 6B one district and cut 2 district court judges. May I speak on the amendment Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] There's a lot of inconsistency there, I'm just wondering how you have combined 2 districts and you cut the number of judges in there that you do. That's number one. Number two is it just seems inconsistent that you got district 6, you got 6A and 6B, for superior court judges. One in 6a and 1 in 6b. Then you have district 6, which is a blast of the District Court judges, where in 6a before you had 3 in 6a and 3 in 6b, now when you combine it, you have only 4 district cout judges left. The only caveat I put in that is that I would remind you that those

Count is in 6AR6, 6A and B, whichever you want to call them. A count is [UNKNOWN] under section five of the voting rights act. And I suspect you’re gonna have a bit of a problem. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Question for the amendment sponsor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Burr yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Which committee did this, did this amendment come through a committee and get voted up or down in a committee? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Came through the appropriations committee and the finance committee which I believe all members of this chamber or most serve on with the exception of the Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields? [SPEAKER CHANGES] So was there a substantive bill presented that addresses this consolidation of prosecutorial in judicial districts in either or either of those committees. Or was it an amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES] And I will add as well it did come through a third. It came through the subcommittee on justice and public safety of the appropriations committee. It came through three separate committees and has been out there through that process. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Brief follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So how many new judges are you adding to your district? [SPEAKER CHANGES] One. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is that? Follow up Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is that, is that a superior court or a district court judge. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is a district court judge. And actually based on the need that is under, under what is actually needed based on the numbers that I have for my area. So it still doesn’t fund my area. We will go from one to two. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lastly. What was that number? I mean you mentioned four point two three for the other districts. What was that number for yours? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Right. And the way this is here it’s still, and we’re trying to get the updated numbers cuz this includes the Montgomery and the Stanley county district together as a new 20A. And that is three point two three. Montgomery County has a population for 23,000. Stanley County has a population of around 62,000. So we’re about two-thirds. So, so we’re still below with what we need. They don’t run court as often in Montgomery County as we do in Stanley County. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ask the member’s sponsor a question or two. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let me ask you a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I had a couple of my DAs up, one from Scotland, Hope and Richmond. I know you know all those. What will it mean for those DAs? This is a different matter. What will it mean for those, that cluster that was proposed Scotland Hope Richmond and ?? ? What will it mean? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Scotland and Hope their DA will continue to run in their district. And the DA from Reece Saunders/g from currently 20A will run in Hanson and Richmond which was the request of theirs. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay.Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Wray please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the House. Everything is important to everyone. And this is something in Eastern North Carolina that’s gonna affect our district. We have the 6A and 6B that will be consolidated or purposed to be consolidated. We have two minority, two white Caucasian DAs. We have two judges that they’re looking at eliminating that affects one dist. Hallif. I mean North Hampton, Bertie and Hertford county. One of the DAs, I mean one of the judges has been there about 16 years. One judge is just gettin, has just gotten there. Halifax County which will be consolidated with this district is the third largest county in the state of North Carolina geographically. I want to work across the aisle. I’m a team player. But I feel like this is just a slap in the East. And to our area, I mean, it’s just, it’s just unreal. And I would hope the chairman of the committee will continue to work with us and try to get a solution. Because again working together works. But you know the red head step child gets beat on all the time. And you know in, in ?? survives and the rule hurts. And we as the poorest of the poorest like everybody else. But I would appreciate the consideration from the members to defeat this. And thank you for your consideration. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. Simply want to arise in support of the amendment by Representative Burr. And point out some stats. One thing you should know is that

6a by itself only has 53,000 people, and then it has 3 judges, a DEA and a superior court judge. That is the lowest, or I guess the highest ratio of judges to population anywhere in the state. The population simply doesn't support that. This amendment is not a matter of trying to pick on one region or another, it simply is taking a look at the case loads and the work loads, and the allocation of the limited resources and judges across the state. Frankly the district should've never been split in the first place. With the combined district it'll have 120,000 people, and 4 judges. That puts it well within what ?? or ?? as I understand it deems an appropriate work load. If you didn't reduce these judges, they would have 2 judges in excess, what does that mean? There's fewer judges around the other parts of the state that the other members of this house represent. Members, this is simply a good amendment and it's gonna fix this, then again there should've never been a divided district in the first place. ?? Representative Wray and others are in the position of just having to see this being voted this way, but it should've never been done. If you look at, I would submit probably the reason the district was divided in the first place was for politics, this is trying to pull that back out in a ?? judicial economy. Members, I urge you to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not addressing any motives or anything, I'm just, I'm talking about experience. You know, it's population is important to look at when determining how judges are gonna be allocated, but I also think it's important to look at the number of filings the judges have to deal with, that get filed in the court house. The number of cases that they have to deal with. I think that these rural areas, they have just as many filings, just as many cases, you'd be surprised. With a smaller population, as do some of these counties with a larger population. And, if this was such an important issue, why did we not file a bill to address this, have that bill be heard and then commiteed. I mean, I've looked, this has not been filed as a substitute bill. It's been an amendment to the budget. Now if the policy is important, and it's important that we have judges where they ought to be, why not file a bill, let it be heard in committee, just that bill alone and not try to slip it as an amendment into a 20 billion dollar budget? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Question before the house is to pass the amendment sent forth by representative Burr to the house committee substitute for senate bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 69 have been voted affirmative, 43 in the negative. The amendment passes. Representative Fisher, the chair understands that the lady wishes to withdraw 8ME-38 [SPEAKER CHANGES] That is correct. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives, Goodman and Mobley, the chair understands as the result of the passage of the Burr amendment, that your amendments in their current form are out of order. But because your amendment came to the clerks desk before 2 pm, if you wish to consult with staff and see if there is some amendment that it can be put back in order, the chair will accept it. Otherwise the amendments 8LL-32 from representative Mobley amendment 8LL-63 from representative Goodman, the chair, at this time rules them out of order. Representative Richardson, after consideration of representative Faircloth's amendment, your 8LM-41 will be considered. Representative Faircloth is recognized to send forth AMD-30. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Amendment AMD-30. Representative Faircloth moves to amend the bill on page 219, line 39 by inserting immediately after that line, a new section to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the house. This is a relatively simple amendment. Within the present budget document, under the ALE reduction that we requested, there was 264, 600 represented by 3 named positions int he ALE

division. There was also an operating reduction of $191,458. We had had a request from the management there to consider rather than designating those three positions as being required to be deleted, that we simply put the two sums of money together, require the same money be deleted, but give them the management the freedom to organize their division as they saw fit. So it doesn't change the dollars at all, it simply accommodates management request and I ask you to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by representative Faircloth to the House committee substitute to Senate Bill 402. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 112 having voted the affirmative, none to the negative, the amendment passes. Representative Blust, after consideration of Representative Richardson's amendment, your amendment AMH-36 will be read in. Representative Richardson is recognized to send forth ALM-41. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would recommend [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will yield until the clerk reads. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ammendment ALM-41 [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to withdraw [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will suspend. The lady has withdrawn the amendment ALM-4? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk thanks the lady. A lot. Representative Richardson, after Representative Blust's amendment is considered, your subsequent amendment ALG-31 will be considered. Representative Blust is recognized to send forth AMH-36. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is AMH-36. Representative Blust moves to amend the bill on page 268 lines 45-50 by rewriting the lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, this also is an issue that's been around for a while, that some of us have had concerns about for a long time. And it concerns the, well, what's known as discretionary transportation funds. This too has caused some problems in the past that hopefully we're behind, or we're finished with, but you never know. I would simply explain it this way. This amendment is going to have those funds allocated for these type rural and small projects, handled exclusively through the executive branch, through the governor's office, with approval from the secretary of state- secretary of transportation. That's where these decisions properly belong, not before the legislature. It's a separation of powers issue when members of the legislative branch can appropriate the funds and direct the expenditure of the funds also. This is one, this provision also comports well with the 817, the House bill 817 that passed. That was the Governor and Secretary of State's big transportation law rewrite, in that it was said very clearly there that we were going to take politics out of the expenditure of the transportation money, and use more objective criteria. So I urge your adoption of this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbett, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speaking on the amendment, Mr. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, it's not that I totally disagree with the amendment and the actions of my colleague, Representative Blust, but just let me tell you what I think. I like the governor. Most days. I like the president Pro Tempore of the Senate. Most days. I like the Speaker of the House. Sometimes. But I personally don't think that any one individual ought to have the sole power of discretionary funds. I think personally that puts too much of the, I'll say in a nice way, responsibility, let's say, onto one individual.

Currently these funds are distributed among those three members that I mentioned. I think it's a very diverse way of applying those appropriations. I think it's a fair and equitable way. Everyone pretty much has a say, and everyone the same amount to use as discretionary. I'd appreciate you voting the amendment down. Representative Sheppard, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, Mr. Speaker. I would also like... [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you sir. I would also like to ask the chairman to vote against this because I think with the process we have so that with HBH17 and it has been thoroughly vetted that this gives everybody an opportunity to do the right thing. And none of this can be done without security of transportation. I know there's input on this, so I'd ask you to vote against this. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Greer Martin, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I remember way back in the distant past when I chaired the transportation appropriation sub-committee. We worked in a bi-partisan fashion to try to reduce these funds. Moving in the direction that this amendment would take us all the way. We weren't completely successful in that, but I will remind the members that that budget passed out of the transportation appropriation sub-committee with bi-partisan unanimous support. So I'd urge your support for this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members of the House, I urge you to vote against this amendment. These funds are often used in a lot of ways for economic development projects around the state. They are a way that transportation can work hand in hand with local economic development partnering agencies, with commerce, with other areas of state government. And they help allow that money to be allocated more efficiently at times. Sometimes, going through the normal DOT process, it's more cumbersome, more bureaucratic, it takes a while to make things happen. And when you have, for example large companies that are looking to locate in this state, and they're looking at North Carolina verses South Carolina, or somewhere else, they need decisions made quickly. And that's where the majority of these funds are used at times, to help in that respect. So if you vote for this amendment you're taking another tool out of the tool box. It's often used for recruit industry and bring jobs, particularly if you're from a rural county in the state. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I'm going to ask people, colleagues, to vote against this amendment as well. I wanted to point out that I have enjoyed the use of. I've been able to get these types of funds in my district under both speaker Hackney and speaker Tylis. Most recently we used the funds to complete a turn lane for a boys and girls club that was being built. They were three-quarters through the construction when DOT came to 'em and said you're going to have to add a turn lane for safety. And the project would have been kinda at a stand still if not were able to get these types of funds. I think it's a good source for you when you need something your local community and you don't have two years it would take to go through DOT. I'd ask you to oppose this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Wilkins please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. If I may, I would like to follow the track that Representative Moore took. These funds are frequently used for economic development projects. And the way I read the amendment, we're just going to stick another layer of bureaucracy in here and sometimes on economic development projects you really do need to move rapidly. Your county, economic development people don't need to have to go through the governors office in addition to the department of transportation. I urge you to defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blyse, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Well this amendment does not create another layer of bureaucracy. The way this language reads now still requires approval of the secretary of transportation. All this does is drop requested by the speaker requested by the president of protim. And puts requested by the Governor in it right now we have a situation where there's a pot of money that's divided up 4 million a piece. The speaker, the president of protim, and the governor. And this is peculiarly, the spending of money, once it's appropriated as an executive function, I had handed out a very similar amendment two years ago and speaker Tylis said he was fine with it.

on the amendment of that time at the request of some of our members who made the case that hate on got things in the pipeline and we finally get access meeting Republicans are some of this money when it's been the other party that controlled it all these years and. it's our turn to the water at the trough but not so, I said. then I said I I'll do it for two more years, but adopted, so make up your mind help hydrogen about on your or not I can I can live with. with any result. I just been here in earlier years when we had made a big deal of this, because it was very odd that it allows some people more influence in others, and someone said we all ought to have access and I don't believe everybody has equal access. it won't affect economic recruitment because the governor is the chief economic recruiter in the state. he's the one that helps direct the jaded money and some of another money so I don't think you'll find Governor McCrory is so opposing members to go and watch some of this discretionary money. I just think it's it's better government is good government is more transparent government. if the amendment is passed, and we we in the process of having the legislature affect the expenditure of money that date. there's been appropriated by the legislature [SPEAKER CHANGES]. just for Rosen about Gartner pointed your purpose statement listening to demonstrate estimated limit arguments figure out [SPEAKER CHANGES]. what I say this is a test call here because either working or let one group have access this money or another growth and learning to use it for whatever they decide they want to use it for. I have a problem with it in that regard, but I think I'm better support this amendment Gde sign I think your purpose to speak on the amendment. John is recognized it. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I remember a number of years ago, when the problems originally arose that probably inspired representative that he may be minute so that at that time, and it inspired him in this way that action needed to be taken because at the time those funds were just there were, you never saw my mentor, like in a black box laying hidden away, layer upon layer upon layer and that's not the case any coming changes were made and these funds are publicly accounted for now and as representative more mentioned as the two chairs of our appropriations transportation subcommittee also pointed out that I rise in support of their position. these funds are very very small slice of the transportation budget that a while was to more rapidly and namely respond to needs out in your communities and most of it does end up going to projects where you need some additional funding in order to get access to an industrial site. we trumpeting jobs. a lot of times, but most of the time,the funds have to be matched with the Romans was exact requirement for this, but in most cases, funds are being matched by local cities and towns for these projects. these are good public projects. it's out in the lie not the way it used to be, and I would just urge her defeat of the amendment or vinegar with nature, purpose, they got a minute. Jim is recognizing great in a famous figure. I do what I asked the members oppose him him at safety concerns which have had in NY. my disorder not rule communities where it says it's online needed in an redevelopment of that that area, or whether for economic development that were working on now for the Aberdeen railway. it's it's come in for great use for rule areas as well. and I think it's a certainly serves a good purpose in our massive members vote against this amendment is that we continue to run accessories on strong community is important was that your purpose is some momentum was written as the Reagan in the second famous figure being the point of dim sum is going to murder him actually very right on time. what happened years ago was as as some say, you could literally have a public downfall. I will say of pocket money in the paper this paper that those days are gone. so you know some members will look back and name, and a lot of us and will look forward to the to do good in the apostate

Exist. Let's say I for example needed a, a, a red light or a turning lane or something in my district. It's not that I can just go to the Speaker, go to the President, go to the Governor and ask for the money, and he writes me a check and you get your, whatever you're asking for. It's not like that at all. You have to apply for it, you have to give it background information, you have to give it the, the, the why's, and how comes, and then it's vetted, and then it goes in front of the transportation board, whenever they meet. And they have to vote it up, and they have to vote it down, it has to be signed off by the Secretary, and then you may start getting some action on it. But even at the time that, that takes that's lightning speed compared to just trying to get a basic project run under the normal circumstance. So there is accountability, there's responsibility, it's a very effective and efficient way of taking care of immediate and emergency needs you might need in way of transportation. I'd appreciate you voting the amendment down. Thank you. [Speaker Change] The question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Blust to the House committee substitute to House bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 17 having voted affirmed, 98 in the negative the amendment fails. Representative Adams, and ladies and gentleman of the House. Representative Adams after Representative Richardson's amendment is taken up, your amendment ALH-46 will be taken up. Ladies and gentleman of the house the chair would like to know whether or not you all would like to take maybe a 5 minute stretch break. We will come back at 3:25. The house will come back to order. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker. For a motion. [Speaker Change] Representative Richardson has informed the chair that she wishes to withdraw from consideration amendment ALG-31. Therefore that amendment will be withdrawn. We'll provide the members a moment to reenter the chamber. The next amendment we'll be taking up is an amendment from Representative Adams. Representative McManus your amendment AME-39 will be taken up for consideration just after we take up Representative Adams. Representative Adams is recognized to send forth ALH-46. The clerk will read. [Speaker Change] Amendment ALH-46 Representative Adams moves to amend the bill on page 97 lines 36 and 37 by inserting between those lines the following. [Speaker Change] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman of the house clearly in today's economy it is very difficult for students to pay for their education. Education is not cheap, we know that. Families are struggling, a lot of families have been laid off work, students are working to try to pay for, to pay their tuition and it is very, very difficult. This amendment would create a 6% increase and would make that increase for non-resident students the same across the university system. In, in this. Thank you Mr. Speaker. In the budget we see that there's a 12.3% for some specific schools UNC, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina State, UNC Chapel Hill, and so forth in the 6% for the campuses. I, I just want to make a plea for these students who, even though they come from other states, they stay and they make a contribution, a significant contribution to our state, I'm one example. I've been here since 1964 when I came from New Jersey, I've heard New Jersey mentioned a lot on this floor, it's a good state. But I came from New Jersey out of high school and I'm still here. And I don't need to tell you about the work I've done, and the contributions and the taxes that I've paid. So out of state students do make a contribution. But I also want to, to

to help you understand importance of diversity in our university systems, in any classroom; that is an asset. For North Carolina students to be sitting in classrooms with other students is a good thing, and its a productive thing. not just for North Carolina students, but for the out of state students as well. And then finally i want to say about this, just because you may come from a state like New Jersey or other states, whether its Virginia or South Carolina, to come to our great university system. you don't have any more money just because you are an out of state student, as a matter of fact you have less money, and so we are going to have a situation if we don't adjust this. where out of state students are just not going to come, they are not going to be able to afford it. i think that that would be a terrible thing to happen, not only to those students but to our university system as a whole. i hope that you would support this amendment, and let's bring some equity to this process, and consider the fact that these universities have increased tuition, continuously, for not only these students but for all students. and we do want them to stay in school, we do want them to come to North Carolina, and to receive a college education, and i would commend it to you, and hope you support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Grady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] to speak on the amendment [speaker changes] the agenda right now is to debate the amendment [speaker changes] I would urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment, this amendment was brought up in the appropriations committee yesterday. to put the amendment in context, this relates to tuition increases that would occur in the second year of the two year budget. the governor has recommended these tuition increases in his budget, but he put them beginning next year. our view was that we ought to push them back a year, to allow the board of governors to look at them themselves, but our understanding was that they are based on surveys of comparable universities and what the tuition's involved are. and i would tell the members that this relates to non resident tuition's, so we are in a little bit of a different place than we would be if we were talking about raising tuition on residents who were paying for their subsidized education. that is not the case here, this is a case of trying to pay what the market will bear, with respect to non resident tuition's, so i would urge you to oppose this amendment. [speaker changes] representative lucas, please state your purpose [speaker changes] to speak on the amendment [speaker changes] the agenda is recognized to debate the amendment [speaker changes] thank you mister speaker, i rise in support of the amendment. you know i really think that diversity really adds to the academic atmosphere of our prize winning universities, especially our flagship universities. we have been known throughout the country and throughout the world. for the number of bright students we have attracted from around the United States, and the world. and our total university system, all 16 campuses, can boast of diversity from throughout the world. and so i wouldn't want us to do anything that would detract from that, i recognize, and i applaud the stake holders, the investors, especially the educational committee, that has deferred this for a year. but deferring it for a year still creates a handicap on those that would desire to come to our universities... [speaker changes] mister speaker [speaker changes] representative voss please state your purpose [speaker changes] see if representative lucas would yield for a question [speaker changes] not at this time, maybe a little later [speaker changes] the gentleman has not yielded at this time, the gentleman has the floor. [speaker changes] the flavor has been added to our universities system, i would remind you that Eve Carson, the martyred student at USC Chapel Hill was an out of state student, and we all have been proud of what she has contributed to our university system. so let's support this amendment. [speaker changes] Representative Dollard please state your purpose. [speaker changes] to speak on the amendment [speaker changes] the agenda right now is to debate the amendment [speaker changes] i would just point out and try not to be repetitive with representive mcgrady, but just point out that essentially what you are doing is youi are by making this change in the amendment

You are more greatly subsidizing with North Carolina tax dollars people that are coming in from out of state that are receiving a tremendous value. North Carolina, even with the changes that are in the budget, will still remain one of the absolute best values for any out of state student coming in. So we don't believe that it will have any effect at all in terms of the talent pool that comes to this state and we need to have some fairness because remember there a been tuition increases over the last several years for in-state students, so we should be considering what their position has been and how their tuition has increased over the last several years and what the taxpayers of this state are putting into the university system the budget is fair on this issue and I would request you defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister speaker I’ve gotta tell you, first of all I think this money goes to the general fund. But we talk about that we’re not raising tuition for in-state students but that's also what we're going to have to do because out of state students are going to be priced out they’re not going to be able to come. The other point I want to make is that in this listing in this part of the budget number 59 North Carolina A&C it is one of the state's historically black colleges and universities does a tremendous job are students come are in financial straits. If you know anything about students to attend HBCUs I've done a lot of work with the Legislative Black Caucus Foundation we’re raising money for students right now to try to decrease some of that debt and we find that students enrolled in these institutions, and North Carolina A&C is part of this group, have more debt ratio than students at other schools. So I just don't think that when we say we're not impacting in state students, we have raised their tuition and when out of state students don't come because they can't afford to come, then we're going to have to look for another way to finance these schools and I suspect that we're going to be raising that tuition relatively soon. This is a good amendment it’s a fair, we talked about fair, this is a fair amendment and I would appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ?? please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the Amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognize to debate the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mr Speaker I want to point out the disadvantage of increasing rates for graduate students. Graduate students at our research institutions are assisting on grant research, and IH grant research is one of the major sources of income for innovative projects in North Carolina and all of our research institutions. If you increase tuition for out of state graduate students many of them will not be able to afford to come if we lose our graduate students we very well may be losing are grants and so I hope you vote for the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Horn please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr speaker, ladies and gentleman as you heard my colleague, Representative McGrady, as well as Representative Dollars speak we’ve taken a very close look at our tuition charges across the state and looked at the comparables for quality institutions, peer comparisons and find that we have continued and will continue with this change to operate in the bottom quartile for tuition. As well we're very proud of the diversity and quality of education in all of our schools across North Carolina. We are continuing to encourage scholarships and need based quality students so that we keep those graduation rates up and and we get the kids that are coming here serious about school, serious about graduation, and serious about their life. We ask you to defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Before the house is the passage of the Amendment sent forth by Representative Adams to the House Committee substitute to Senate Bill 402. All of those in favor vote Aye. All opposed vote no. The court clerk will open the vote.

The clerk will let the machine record the vote. Thirty-seven having voted affirmative, 78 in the negative. The amendment fails. Representative Stevens, your amendment ALM-48 will follow consideration of Representative McManus. Representative McManus is recognized to send Fourth Amendment AME-39. The clerk will read. [speaker change] Amendment AME-39, Representative McManus moves to amend the bill on page 109, lines 43 through 44 by deleting a sixth existing subdivision Parens[sp?] 4 of Section 12b.1f and substituting the following. [speaker change] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [speaker change] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This amendment pertains to the North Carolina Pre-K pilot study that funds classrooms instead of individual slots. The pilot and the study are in both the House and Senate budgets. I think they're both a really good idea. And while we're studying it, I just think there are a few more elements that we should look at. And this would simply add that in addition to attendance records and the numbers of parents using different programs and those things, that we also look at parent satisfaction levels, teacher retention, and the provider satisfaction levels. Since we're studying anyway, this would be a very minor thing to add to it and I think it would give us a lot more important information about the program. I would ask that you support the amendment, please. [speaker change] The question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative McManus to the House committee substitute Senate Bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 96 having voted in the affirmative, 19 in the negative. The amendment passes. Representative Richardson, after consideration of Representative Stevens, your amendment ALM-47 will be recognized to be sent forth. Does the lady wish for that amendment to be sent forth? The lady can-- [speaker change] No, I withdraw that. [speaker change] The lady withdraws the amendment. Representative Harrison, after consideration of the Stevens amendment, your Amendment ALM-46 will be sent forth. Representative Stevens is recognized to send forth ALM-48. The clerk will read. [speaker change] Representative Stevens ALM-48 moves to amend the bill on page 209 lines 8 and 9 by adding a new section to read as follows [cross over] [speaker change] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [speaker change] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, this just takes the Surry County share of the Piedmont Trail Partnerships and gives it directly to Surry County. This was done for several other counties and I would ask for your support. [speaker change] Representative West, please state your purpose. [speaker change] To debate the amendment, Mr. Speaker. [speaker change] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [speaker change] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, I've now seen Representative Stevens' amendment and have no objection to it. [speaker change] The question before the House is to pass [sound cut out] the amendment sent for by Representative Stevens to the Senate House Committee substitute, the Senate Bill 402. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine read the vote. 112 having voted affirmative, 2 in the negative. The amendment passes. Representative Blackwell, after the Harrison Amendment your Amendment AMD-29 will be next for consideration. Representative Harrison is recognized to send Amendment ALM-46. The clerk will read. [speaker change] ALM-46. Representative Harrison moves to amend the bill on page 204, lines 23 and 24, by inserting between those lines a new section to read. [speaker change] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [speaker change] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, this amendment will provide 250,000 each year in non-recurring money to the Land Loss Prevention Project. That is one of the commerce state aid items in the commerce budget. The money will be coming from the utility account in the JDIG program. The Senate and the Governor took a 5 million dollar reduction, utility reduction, in their budget. The House took no reduction, so there's 50 million dollars in funding for JDIG this year and 63 million in funding for JDIG next year. This would take 250,000 dollars out of those two accounts over the next two years. I would just like to talk to you a little bit about what the Land Loss Prevention Project is.

something we’ve been funding for a couple of decades. It assists low-income...thank you. It assists low-income farmers and helps them stay on their land. These are African-American and white farmers. It’s comprehensive legal services, technical support and North Carolina financially distressed farmers with limited resources who are seeking to preserve their farms and stay in their homes. They do a lot foreclosure prevention and keeping families on their farms who are suffering from financial stresses. There was some information going around that they were going to use this money to sue the federal government. I just want to disabuse you of this notion. That’s is not what they do at all with this money. They negotiate on behalf of the farmer, they assist in foreclosures and loan modifications, but they do not use this money to sue the federal government. I just wanted to make that clear. If we do cut their funding, there are a lot of farmers on the staff that are going to have to end their cases and transfer them to hopefully there’s a pro bono lawyer out there, but you can’t count on that. This is a program that’s saved tens of thousands of acres across the state and I just urge your support, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative West, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This amendment will take funds from the job development investment grant and for that reason I would urge you to oppose the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Perhaps this anecdote will shed a little bit of light on it. About ten years ago, I represented a homeless women, and the reason she was homeless was because her landlord unplugged the electricity that went from his trailer to her trailer, effectively evicting her. Discovered she didn’t have running water, in other words, it was a complete mess. She was homeless, our church put her up for a night and then I took her case, pro bono. We got treble damages against her landlord for the years he had charged her a hundred dollars a month for nothing. Attorneys fees put in there, we got a judgement against her landlord. Then we discovered that the landlord didn’t own the property. His wife owned it and she’d gone up the road to New Jersey twenty years earlier, but we got her to deed the land back to the landlord so we could execute on the judgement. So here we are, we start the execution, we had to do it about ten times. We had to get the property surveyed. I had to enlist a surveyor to do a survey so we’d know what to do. Well, guess what happened. He finally got a defense and his defense was, well, he was represented by the Land Lost Prevention Project. Guess what. My client had lost her home and she was African-American. She was fighting the Land Loss Prevention Project. It had a happy ending, but that’s time for another day. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I appreciate Representative Stam. I still didn’t get the point of the story, but in all seriousness, what the Land Lost Prevention Project does is it addresses things that have happened to folks who have lost their property through no fault of their own. They’ve lost it because they had inherited property and the way it was done many, many, many years ago, even before I was born, there were problems there and people took some other folks property. And Land Lost goes back in and helps those people recapture those properties. This is their property, basically, that was lost because, and this was black farmers who lost their property some folks took it away from them because of certain things like farming, all of these things, building were old. This has been very successful. In spite of the anecdote that was told by Representative Stam, this is a very serious problem and it helps to rectify some problems that have happened to a group of people in the past that really should not happened, that should have been able to maintain the property and they were just not able to do it.

Here again folks this goes back to an amendment we had earlier, which you folks turned down. This is one step out of that particular thing we were doing. I mean you just gave $12 million away for some folks to spend as they wanted to spend. Why can’t we get a little bit of money to help folks that are really there and do something for them. You know you got the power so you use your power. Speaker: Representative Baumgardener, please state your purpose. Representative: To speak on the amendment. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to speak on the amendment. Representative: I was on the NER committee and this organization came in and made a presentation to us and it was… and I asked about this, so did some other members. And the majority of…it is my understanding that they got a half a million dollar grant fro the state and between 60-70% of it went to pay the salaries of the members that worked for this committee. Speaker: Representative McShall, please state your purpose. Representative: To speak a second time. Speaker: The gentleman is completed? Representative: Yes, for now. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to speak on the amendment a second time. Representative: The program is urn out in NC Central University Law School. It has an executive director that does that program. The majority of the money does not go to pay salaries in that program. Speaker: The question before the house is the passage of the Harrison amendment to house committee substitute to senate bill 402. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 42 having voted in the affirmative, 67 in the negative. The amendment fails. Representative Time, your amendment, ALE-40, will be considered following the amendment before us. Representative Blackwell is recognized to send forth AMD-29. The clerk will read. Clerk: AMD-29 Representative Blackwell moves to amend the bill on page 222, line 15, by inserting media on the left, new section to read. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. Representative: Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman of the house, I would direct your attention, if you would like to I5 of the money report, item 34, you will note closes western youth institution and under the dollar amount involved you will see that it is 323 employees that are being eliminated. Burke County, where this is located, is a tier 1 county. Our unemployment just barely fell under 10% for the first time in a long time. Even before the great recession began, I guess before the end of 2008 –s 2009, Burke County was already suffering from a high rate of unemployment due to the loss of furniture and textile jobs. My concern here is that the department or division of adult corrections has not done the sort of job that we owe to the people of this state when it is going to impact, in a major way, the economy of an area that extends beyond Burke County and into Caldwell and Rutherford, Calb and McDowell certainly, and that there ought to be more of a planning process, more of a transition, when something of this magnitude is going to happen. If you will look at your money report, on pages I4-5, you can see that there are a number of other facilities that are being closed, but with the exception of Wayne, which is 150, which is less than half what is planned for western youth, the others are 80 and 44 and 50 substantially less. What my amendment would do, is to allow this facility to stay open for two more years, but for the first year, provide for a 10% reduction in the staffing of the prison; the second year, would be an additional 15%, taking it up to 25. If we did simply that and stop that would be about 80 positions, with the exception of Wayne’s 150, is equal to

greater than the other provisions individually that are listed for foreclosures as well now in terms of financing this think it's also worthwhile to note that information from staff and I checked on this I think as recently as this morning is that there are over 1600 thats 1600 vacancies in the adult corrections division involving unspent funds as long as those positions remain vacant of $81 million what my amendment ask is that we use 5,000,00 and 5.4 million in the first year the biennium and $10 million almost 10 1/2 million in the second year of the biennium to eliminate the vacant positions of the 1600 positions in the $81 million dollors in order to help transition this facility to where it needs to be an additional financial aid in paying for this is the item that you will see on line 13 that involves probation and parole positions now you all understand recall that we passed justice reinvestment and that moving us away from the formal system that we had of what I think was called into intense probation or intensive probation or something to that effect which survellence officers and intensive probation officers were used were now moving into a different kind of probation the result of this is that we rightly project it would have the need for additional probation officers in order to handle these people and to watch them more closely than we have done in the past but the thing to remember is that without another dime being appropriated 203 of those former positions are being transitioned under this budget is I understand it into the new probation provisions that under the budget there is a proposal that would add 75 positions in addition to the 203 in the first year of the biennium hundred and 75 more in the second year of the proposal I would limit the additional probation officers above the 203 to 50 instead of 75 for the first year and a 100 instead of 175 in the second year given the newness of justice reinvestment given the transition of the other probation officers into this function given the movie to the substantial numbers we don't actually know that will be able to hire the kind of people we need for these positions in those numbers so my suggestion and the amendment would in effect say we delay a few of those probation positions see how that develops and by doing that we free up the money to continue this facility for two years during the second year is reduced to 75% of what it's been now the balance of the bill is a taskforce that basically says if state government in acts legislation that is going to eliminate across state agencies in the tier 1 or tier 2 County over 100 positions somebody in state government spend the time and do the planning to try to help those employees and their families find new positions and this task force would be set up it would require the additional funding it would be comprised of representatives from commerce from personnel and I'm sorry of my state budget and management and from the employment security commission to assist these people and trying to find additional jobs as a result we can come back in the iterium and if we have a need for more probation officers we can reconsider it over the course of the biennium we can do the planning for closing this larger facility and a tier 1 County

So that we can transition these people hopefully into new jobs that would not occur with the present decision that has been made. Up until last year, I was assured by this Department of Corrections. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Stevens, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just wondering if Representative Blackwell would yield for a minute. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd be happy to. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blackwell, have you seen a key? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Not without my glasses. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If I had my glasses on I would've guessed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does any member wishing to rise [SPEAKER CHANGES] Of people approving of my amendment. But, in any event, work out of this situation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin please state your, Representative Grier Martin please state your purpose. Representative Boles please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? is recognized to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As the co-chair of the ?? of Public Safety we took in a lot of consideration and this was a tough budget. These decisions as far as closures of these facilities were not easy both on the staff and legislators as well. We took recommendations from the staff and they determine that the facilities that were proposed to be closed which Representative Blackwells, he's not the only one as you all have seen in the money report, there are several in the state. But this particular facility is an obsolete facility I don't know if any of y9ou all have been there. It's very not conducive for the juveniles. And Representative Blackwell was correct in that the justice reinvestment has initiated a lot of these. When I came here 5 years ago, we had 20 or roughly 2500 and 2800 juveniles in detention. Today we have less than 300, about 350. So the ?? has to be that we just don't need it and the ones that we have particular closing here are the ones that are obsolete. And he had mentioned as far as the probation officers...yes that is a critical part of the justice reinvestment. It mentions that the 75 the first year and then the 175 the 2nd year. We will propose a list to hire 75 the first year and 100 the second year which would bring the total of what the budget is for 175 not 225. So, with that, I, it will really be a strain on the present budget that we have. We had a great discussion on this yesterday. I urge you to oppose the amendment. We have had to make some tough decisions. We're not happy with a lot of decisions, but, with the excess bid capacity, we have newer facilities that are that we're able to give vocational education and educational better opportunities for the juveniles and this is just part of the justice reinvestment that we voted on and it is working. And this facility is obsolete. I urge you to oppose this amendment, thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Famous speakers you guys know ?? and Blackwell last year ?? and I have Brook County and I have ?? County which are all pretty well economically depressed. Now this is a substantial number of jobs w2e're talking about. We just got through with the amendment that Representative Blust ran about what we call walk around money, lap ?? money. Well Representative Blackwell's debate he talked about how much walking around how much lap ?? money there were out there in this particular area. We had the opportunity to save several hundred jobs in Bark County, some of which some out of my district and Rutherford County also. Now, given the fact that we know that money's out there for emergencies as Representative Dollar had said earlier, my question to you is why wouldn't we use it to give these folks a little bit more life so they can go find a job, give them some time to transition.

this is the program out there were blown away with this is several hundred jobs in the money they are, so I'll do like to join with razor, Black water, July, or dissonant herbs [SPEAKER CHANGES] Audrey procedure purpose speak on the minimum fragments of human. it pains me to the opposition. the rep. Linda Blackwell Garces amendment, but the truth is, [SPEAKER CHANGES] we don't think the bayonets. I know that people are working there and and I'm sorry that is, it is like it is. but we have been freshly careful to make sure we have enough prison beds for a population and I would have an excess and this is the oldest present a high-rise, particularly is out dating it in his dangerous and so it is our recommendation that we close a number of presence and mother. the people who have presence and their and their district won't close McCall's, they are economic engines in the sole or even the one in my district is being checked. I wish it were. but the truth is, we don't need that particular consulting, working like it isn't so. all I can say is if you want my government work and the best policy is to close this president was of some of the wonder– just the way it is not opposed to amend what purposes the gentleman from more reputable drives, they decided found men dumb as recognized by the amendment. the second time they misstated by Justin Fergus, they have to forclarification, this particular facility needs twenty one million dollars in the twenty one million and in order for the inmates. they go to their him calls there are no who went sales after handcuffing and escort him to the restrooms and then bring them back. this facility is obsolete in our urge you to vote no. listen. and what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston Representative Hastings, Ross debate in the German has aborted baby amendment speaker. I just wanted to briefly rise in support of Representative Hager and represented black wool, and also Mister Speaker, our colleague,Senator Daniel and Senate in support of this amendment for all purposes, the gentleman from Burke represented Blackwell rise to speak briefly a second time. Emily has reported to make a nanosecond when they start by saying that it greatly times meas well, rep• refer you to disagree with me. it's interesting that we hear descriptions on the floor today that this prison is obsolete the department didn't think that a few months back when I tried to talk to them about whether there were issues that your when I talk with them last about what the plans for the future. the building was they didn't indicate that we had the kind of surplus bed capacity that we did the prison has been operating successfully without any injuries or danger or problems. I think represented battles has overstated tenant an important way the issue regarding to the lack of Sokol went sales. the problem is not that they have to do is describe our rivers and bold. there is a sure shine is outside the ward and pushes a button to open the individual. therefore, so that the prisoner can come out of the sale and use the restroom with these prisoners, one of the problems with the wet cells is that they stuff things in the mileage and otherwise affect the plumbing in ways that it causes problems. the department has had no problem using this facility like never before. our acknowledged that there were any issues about safety. all I'm asking is that the house give us two years, considering the size of the impact on our area to use some of the surplus funds to transition will give the eighty jobs over two years in a bid in the two years we may be faced with a closure, but in the meantime, there can be opportunity to plan

Speaker: For what purpose is the gentleman from Moore representing us? Speaker changes: May I ask Representative Blackwell a question please? Speaker changes: Does the gentleman from Burke yield the gentleman from Moore? Speaker changes: I certainly do. Speaker changes: He yields. Speaker changes: Yes sir, thank you. Representative Blackwell. Speaker changes: How many stories? the height of this building? Speaker changes: I beg your pardon? Speaker changes: The height, the floors, the number.. Speaker changes: I am not sure whether they are 14 or 16 floors. Speaker changes: Follow up. Speaker changes: Yes sir. Speaker changes: Does the German yield to an additional question? Speaker changes: Yes, I do. Speaker changes: He yields.[ The German state is required??.] Speaker changes: And I guess our concern also is that there is no fire suppression in the building. Speaker changes: May I respond? Speaker changes: If the German has got to answer the question. Speaker changes: It’s my understanding that that’s been true for the years since it’s been there and that the department was not concerned about it. Speaker changes: Until now when they were trying to justify the closing. Speaker changes: Thank you Mr. Beck. Speaker changes: Okay. Speaker changes: For what purpose does the gentleman from Rutherford represent xxx?? Speaker changes: Speaking to me for the second time? Speaker changes: The German[ has afforded in ]??making the amendment a second time. Speaker changes: A second Speaker changes: You may speak. Speaker changes: I have made no, no secret that I tax credits, I hate giving folks things that they didn’t earn and most of you all said Mr. xxx you need to promise these people, we need to let this go out for a year, two years, whatever the number of years .[xxxx] We at least have made promises to these folks; we need to give them transition time as Representative Blackwell was saying, we need to give hundreds of folks in a depressed area time to go find another job. I don’t think Representative Blackwell was saying let’s keep this facility open forever. Speaker changes: That was as good as putting words into Representative Blackwell’s mouth. Speaker changes: I don’t think that’s what I am saying. I don’t think I am saying what he is saying. The fund is there, the money is there, let’s give folks some time to do some transition. Let’s give them time to go find a job elsewhere. Let’s give time for the economy to work. Lets get these folks back to work.So please don’t ‘yes’ on it. Speaker changes: The question before the house is the adoption of the amendment nineteen offered by Representative Blackwell. Speaker changes: So those who favor the adoption of the amendment will signify by a voting aye, the clerk will open the vote. [Pause] The clerk has locked the machine and I have counted the vote; 39 voting in the affirmative and 67 in the negative. The amendment is not adopted. Speaker Changes: Members, the next amendment we are going to going to take up is amendment ALE 40 offered by Representative Tine and time and the amendment following that would be amendment AMK 31 to be presented by Representative Whitmire. The gentleman from Washington?? Representative Tine is recognized to explain the amendment after the court leaves. Speaker changes: Amendment ALE 40 Representative Tine move the bill , it’s page 45, find 46 through 55 rewriting the lines to read. Representative xx has reported xxx Speaker changes: Thank you Mr. Speaker. This amendment has its deals with the small schools, system formula under the current House project that was represented here today ; there is a new formula that would greatly affect some counties of the 27 counties that this funding is provided for Hyde for example which I can speak for because it’s in my district, would receive a million dollar cut in two years. They have a $ 10 million budget per year resulting in about 22 losses of personnel because they are taken xx?? anymore. They have two schools one of them in the mainland and one up on the Island. So the only place to go for personnel and about a hundred folks in the school systems. So if there is 20 percent reduction in staff . What this amendment would do is postpone the implementation of the new formula by one year. The cost of that would be absorbed by dividing amongst all those counties that are currently there in the evenly distributed cost . It would allow us the time to ALEs the plan,ALEs the plan rather, and since two weeks out from their budget would be going forward. It would also give us time in between now and the short session to decide how we are going to fund all our schools in North Carolina as opposed to proceed fixes according to the current formula , how are we going to invest in world communities so that we have the best jobs , the best skills..

?? ready for those jobs so if you come into Camden or you come into Charlotte, you’re going have the best workforce in North Carolina. This will give us the time to develop a new formula that can bring in all those considerations. I urge your support of the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose the gentleman from Chowan, Representative Steinburg, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendments, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, I rise in support of this particular amendment and all of you in the House who are representing rural areas should pay close attention to not just what I’m saying, but what is going to be said here on the floor regarding this particular issue. I have probably as many or more counties, rural counties in my district than anyone. I have six. Under the proposed legislation, not the amendment, but what’s in the budget now, the way they’re going to fund small schools, we have...I have four schools out of my six that will actually benefit. Maybe getting a little bit more moe money. One school, it would be neutral. And one school would be an absolute disaster. We’re talking about the smallest school district, I believe, or second smallest school district in the state. We are talking about the smallest and poorest county in the state, losing about $1.5 million over the next couple of years. Now, to me, that is unconscionable. I spoke with the superintendent and it was a very emotional conversation. He seemed to be on the verge of tears because, as he put it to me, his school district will have to go into bankruptcy. There’s no way they can survive with these kinds of cuts. Now, we don’t want to do that. We don’t want to put any school district into bankruptcy. There’s something very interesting that happened in my district as a result of this situation. I also got calls from folks in the other districts who were going to be benefactors of the bill the way it is going to be presented in this budget. As rural people often do, they said, I want to help, how can we help? Can you take the money that we are getting, the extra money that we’re going to be getting and can you give it to the county that is in need, which happens to be Tyrrell country. That’s something about rural people that I haven’t always been in rural areas, but I can tell you there’s something amazing that takes place there whenever people are down and out, even people that hate your guts, they will come up and they will help you and help you get over the hump. After they help you get over the hump, they’ll go back to hating you again, but when the crisis is there, everybody pulls together. This is...we cannot allow a public school system to fail. This isn’t about politics. This is about kids. This is about parents. This is about families. There is something radically wrong with a budget that would do this to any school system. This isn’t just Tyrrell that’s going to be impacted. There are counties in other districts that are going to be impacted as well. Some folks, the appropriations folks from education, I believe are going to rise and talk about what may be a solution that will address this problem, if not to the long term, at least in the short term. We rural legislators know, Republicans and Democrats alike, that it is more important now than ever...

that we stand up for rural North Carolina. We have no choice. If the urban legislators chose to band together Republicans and Democrats, there's nothing we can do to stop them. Fortunately, there are urban legislators who recognize that they cannot abandon their rural brothers and sisters. So, I urge you, I beg you, on behalf of the good people of Tyrrell county and on behalf of rural North Carolina, to embrace this amendment, do so enthusiastically, know you're doing the right thing, and then during the short session, we can come back and make a long term fix for small schools. This we must do. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Horn, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Mr. Speaker, the co-chairs of the House Education Subcommittee on appropriations do support this amendment. This is a tough, tough issue. We've known for a long time that the small school formula allotment system was screwy at best. It was a mess, and it continues to be changed, so we did reach back on the shelf, find a study that was done, I think in 2010, that made some suggestions on how we can begin to simplify the allotments system. The problem with any change is it's painful. We all talk about change, but it's painful. So we tried to come up with, well no we didn't try to come up with an imperfect system, we came up with an imperfect system. But we know we've got to move in this direction. We have overcomplicated way too much of what we do in this state, especially when it comes to how we give out money. Stand on your left foot, turn around 3 times and put your finger in the air, it's ridiculous. So, we are pleased that the small counties are able to work together and come up with a reasonable, sensible solution that doesn't impact our budget numbers so that we can continue forward. I think that it was a great idea, people come together, solve problems. I'd like to see a whole lot more of that around this place. So we urge you to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Brandon, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I would like to be recorded as voting no on the last amendment please. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman will be recorded as having voted no. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Whitmire, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Mr. Speaker, sorry for the delay. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Does the gentleman wish to debate the amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Yes, sir, I'd like to speak on the. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I want to encourage people to vote for the Tyne amendment on this, and I also want to let you know that there will be a subsequent amendment that essentially improves upon these numbers. Here's the issue, while anytime you deal with money and you keep the pot pretty much the same, there's winners and there's losers. What's in the current budget right now, which when we had Education Subcommittee appropriations, you need a unanimous vote, minus one small, little maybe no, we were able to mitigate the drastic effects of the winners, some of which were winning over $300,000 of a boondoggle gain, and some over the course of 2 years were going to lose close to $1 million, like Tyrrell County. Well, it got changed, and it was very honorable as to how it was changed, but we went right back to having drastic winners and drastic losers. And with that, Representative Tyne's amendment, mitigates that drastic impact, and whether my amendment in a few minutes passes or fails, Representative Tyne's amendment improves upon and basically dampens some of the shock effect that school systems and counties need a little bit of time not just to prepare for, but not have a drastic swing. So with that, I encourage

To support the amendment and also give me your ear when mine comes up. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The question before the House is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Tine to the House subcommittee substitute to Senate bill 402. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will now machine record the vote. 104 having voted in the affirmative, four in the negative, the amendment passes. Representative Tine, the chair understands that your amendment we need to assess the effect of the Tine Amendment on the, on your amendment. There may need be to be some modifications in order for your amendment to be in order. So we’re going to move past your amendment for a moment. We will come back to it if I can be assured. I just heard from one of the members that that may be the case. Therefore Representative Peirce you’re amendment of ALA-68 will be the next that we consider. And after that Representative Blackwell after the consideration of the Pierce amendment your amendment ALL-66 will be next in consideration. Representative Pierce is recognized to send forth ALL-68. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Amendment ALL-68 Representative Pierce moves to amend the bill on page 222 line 15 by inserting immediately after that line a new bill section to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and members of the body. This would move to keep Robinson community, correction Senator, open and, if you look on that page there was some budget reserves 11.9 that was non-recurring funds. And that center in Carolina is a very important part of our community. I hear Senator Blackwell as he talked about his facility. But when we look at this facility it plays a great part in the Robinson County area. We want to do all that we can. But that’s the job that would help us to keep this facility open. At least give us another year I think is what everybody’s talking about. We hear a lot of that to date a transition period. And I would ask that you would consider as the body consider that. It has a great financial impact in Robinson County, the employees there. And one thing about it Mr. Speaker and to all those here. This facility provides opportunity for selected inmates for employment in the community which enables payments of restoration, [SOUND] child support, state and federal taxes, federal tax breaks for employers that hire. Those with unfavorable backgrounds, I like that word better than felons, and unfavorable backgrounds. And the inmates pay per diem into the transportation department and to the public safety fund. So this, this facility gives these gentlemen an opportunity to work in the community that work for the community for a lot of municipalities. So they, they don’t sit around all day long. They’re out doin’ things in the community and doing a great job. If we did find the funds with staffs help so we ask you give us the opportunity to at least transition for another year. I commend this resolution to you. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I have two purposes. The first would be, to be recorded as voting aye on the Tine Amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may be recorded as aye on the Tine amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. And to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I, I just want to make an overall comment. And cuz I know there may be additional amendments of this nature coming forward in varying phases. I think everyone appreciates the challenges that a lot of communities are having out there. The state itself is having challenges. And what we have is we have a number of facilities that have relatively low capacity compared to the newer facilities that we have. They are not efficient. In many cases in, in, well in some cases anyway. In some case those facilities are in poor condition or they are functionally obsolete. They may not be, they may be clean and meet standards but their functionally obsolete and need to be replaced. In other cases they’re just, they’re just flat small. In some cases they’re, they’ve got other troubles. You know the whole reason or for doing the Justice Reinvestment Act was, and I also want to remind this too and maybe this sound a little bit like a shot but if it does, that’s okay. You know there were a num

Folks in this Chamber, three of four years ago that voted to change the citizen grid, although a number of us had opposed that, they voted to do that. The effect of that was to frankly lower the number of cells that you were going to need in the future. Well, it's worked out that way. That and other factors in society - these cells are simply not needed. And the department has made professional judgments about this. And as Representative Daughtry said, it's affected a unit in his county. So, we need to hold firm. We need to reflect on our past votes in this chamber. We need to realize that these cells are not needed. And i would request that you vote no on the amendment. [Speaker changes] Representative Blust, please state your purpose [Speaker changes] Ask Representative Dollar if he'll yield for a question. [Speaker changes] Does the gentleman yield? [Speaker changes] I yield [Speaker changes] The gentleman yields [Speaker changes] Representative Dollar, I do want to get it straight. Should we... are we supposed to be consistent or not be consistent? I'm having trouble with that issue today. [Speaker changes] Representative Blust [Speaker changes] The gentleman does not yield [Speaker changes] Representative Charles Graham, please state your purpose [Speaker changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker, to speak on the amendment [Speaker changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I won't be redundant and be repetitive here, but I do need to advocate for something that I strongly believe in in my District. I got a sense of where this is going, but I still need to say what I need to say. This county is a Tier 1 county. We have a facility that's served this community for many years. We have a prison population there, minimum security. Those gentlemen have worked in this county, work release. They've served in a number of capacities with our municipalities, with the county government. We have gentlemen who are on work release, and who are going to - as a result of some of the things going on in our county and the work opportunities they have - leave that facility and go into some type of meaningful employment, hopefully turn their lives around, get back into the community. I just don't know and don't understand what this came about. If the people who made this decision understood the economic impact that closing this facility would have in this area of North Carolina. Now, I think it's great that we're - we don't need beds. And I think it's good that justice reinvestment is working and doing what it needs to be doing, but this amendment basically allows the workers to have an opportunity to transition into meaningful employment somewhere else, although it's going to be an inconvenience for them to probably travel 30-40 minutes or 30-40 miles down the road to another job. Thank God they can do that. But this amendment basically says, let's study this and let's come back at some time in the future and let's look at the impact that it's having on the economy in Robinson County. It is a Tier 1 county. This unit's serving its purpose. And i think this is just a rushed judgment. I don't know that this facility has been on the chopping blocks in the past, but if this is just an attempt here to say "let's do this, and let's save some money and shift the funding somewhere else", I think that's wrong. The reason I say that is Robinson County taxpayers will need to pick up the cost of what is the difference in terms of the savings that this county has been able to see with these individuals out in the community working - working for the government, working for the multi-purpose center, working for the municipalities. That's a tax savings to our county. It's meaningful. It means something. We're talking well over a million dollars that the taxpayers in this county's going to need to pick up in the future. And by the way...

The county governments have already stamped their budget for this coming year. The municipalities have already established their budget for this year. They did not figure that they're going to need to appropriate funding for these inmates that's working in those municipalities. Those inmates who are working in the county. This is a tax increase on Robeson County. It's a savings to our county government by using putting those inmates to work doing jobs that's going to build job skills in the future and now we've got to turn around and go back and say to the county oh by the way this is what you've got to do now. You're going to need to come up with over a million dollars in revenue to offset the loss of these who's going to be God knows where they're going. And this amendment will allow the county to put a plan in place, moving forward into the future to accept what's going to happen. And I think it's a fair amendment. I don't think it's asking for anything unreasonable. We can still balance the budget. Everything will end up fine I think. I don't see there's a undue burden placed on the JPS budget at this point. And this amendment's fair. It's reasonable and I ask you and there are many of you in rural counties and I just heard the situation with the youth center. But this is not a high rise. This property is not outdated. It's serving it's function. It's useful, it's meaningful for a lot of ways and ladies and gentlemen I ask you to support this amendment. Thank you. Thank you Mrs. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Waddell please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen I'm the lucky recipient of representing three counties that are Tier One counties. It's a shame when we sit in this chamber and we don't understand how rural counties work. I just listened to Representative Blackwell and Representative Hager talk awhile ago about rural counties and the economic engine that drives rural counties and when you start thinking about a prison being an important part of an important piece of a rural county as an economic driver and that pulled out from under you it makes you wonder. I did like the idea that Representative Blackwell had to allow to put in place to put in code these votes to have a transition time to know something about what's going on. We often sit up here and make decisions about things on the spur of the moment not really realizing while we're in this chamber that it's gonna affect a lot of people and it does affect a lot of people. I have three prisons. One in Bladen County, one in Columbus County, one in Robeson County and they support a lot of folks just like Representative Graham mentioned a while ago. The two towns that have access to those prisoners to be able to use some of those prisoners to defray some of the cost inside of that town. I was the mayor of a small town and we have used prisoners before. It's a really good way to be able to utilize an asset when you only have to pay a dollar a day for those labors. Folks I cannot say enough. I know probably the amendment's not gonna pass but I do want us to understand this. Understand this. That rural counties need help and folks, we need to understand how rural counties operate. I still encourage your adoption of this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brandon please Representative Brandon is off away from his desk. Representative Daughtry please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I thank you Mr. Speaker to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We certainly see that the pain that we are inflicting is bipartisan. We are

...having problems that only with our side but the minority side, as well. So I hope that makes it clear to you that what we have done in Justice and Public Safety is not done except by way of good public policy, which is following what the directors of prison told us to do and they want to close these prisons. We don't need the beds. The crime rate in North Carolina is down and I thank the Lord for that. And right now we do not need the beds. Why would we want to keep a facility open and spend all the taxpayers money when we do not need it? I feel the pain of those people who have a institution in their county that's going to be closed, but it was not done in spite, it was done in a very careful and deliberate way to close those prisons that we thought were best the ones we should close. So I hope you will defeat this amendment as you have other amendments that other members have offered. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brandon, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to be recorded as voting no on amendment 20. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as voting no on amendment 20. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just to speak anecdotally for a minute. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to anecdotally debate the bill, or amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment. I would suggest to you that if you all pass all these gun bills that are coming you're going to need to keep all these prisons open. [laughter] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Charles Graham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and I'll be brief, but I'm not going to stand here and challenge Representative Daughtry. He's a man of character and I got a lot of appreciation for him and what he's done for this State over the years. This amendment's not about keeping that facility open indefinitely. This amendment's about giving this county, this county government, those municipalities an opportunity, an opportunity to keep what we have in play until we can come back and I think the amendment says some time in May 2014. And let's look at this situation and ?? this situation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Faircloth, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would the speaker, would the Representative yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Charles Graham, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Representative Graham. Referring to Robertson and Lenore counties, is it true that in discussions in our committee meeting that your counties received a large sum the other day to offset some of the problems you have there with regard to prisoners and what have you? Something like $750,000? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I can speak for Robertson, I can't speak for Lenore, but that is the case. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] But I just want to say that... [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want us to look at the amendment. The amendment basically says let's give this county an opportunity to transition into a period of time that we can look at this and be realistic about the situation. Ladies and gentlemen, I just ask for your support and thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you members. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hurley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Graham, this is my first time for being a chair in appropriations and it is very difficult for any of you who can look forward to doing this some day. You have to make hard decisions. Robertson Correctional Center is within the radius of 50 miles to 7 other correctional institutions. Of those, there are around 2,400 positions. Of those, there's like 69 positions that are open right now and we have asked that anyone who is let go, loses their job for anything that we might do that they get first choice. And so 69 from 80, there may be some who are retiring or whatever. But it is very important that we do what the agency says and we're glad that crime is down, but...

this is very hard decision ?? matters ?? for [speaker change] the question that ?? ?? ?? 36 have been in affirmative and 78 in negative ?? representative brandon ?? gentlemen no was recorded ?? what you are trying to figure out? [speaker change] i meant to say yes ?? thank you. [speaker change] ?? ladies and gentlemen of the house the ?? like to extend a courtesy to, gentlemen to my left ?? this afternoon ?? please stand and ?? [speaker change] ladies and gentlemen there's representative ?? we are going to take up your amendment next to your chair under the ?? 33 and just acknowledge and after that representative ?? will be taken up your amendment ?? 66 ?? [speaker change] representative amk 33 ?? page 82 ?? new section between the lines to read [speaker change] thank you mister speaker [speaker change] the ?? ?? metropolitan area is known for two things or may be not know for their facts one we have lost more jobs than any msa in this state of north Carolina and that is both ?? by numbers other claimed a fact is that we have the lowest percentage of a ?? high school degree now correlation is not causation but some of us in the business community have got a little concern and there have been extensive conversation between the business community and civic leaders and our schools about the lack in our high school degrees in our community and wholly they are doing for businesses, a number of those business community members have been working on this ?? you may have seen some of them in the halls, this legislature work on this and we are requesting a pilot program in conjunction with two of our school systems to see if a combination of an increase and the drop out age of 16 to 18 and some additional programs educational funding from various sources including private sector and a general attention from the community can in fact make a difference in drop out this is not a school only program this is a community program its a chance to see is there are specific actions that can make a difference in the graph of high school drop outs, we are asking for ten thousand dollars to be used for planning purposes that would come from the ?? student services ?? school allotment which personally has his ?? from staff ?? two hundred and seventy eight million dollars i ask you to support this amendment [speaker change] representative ?? please take your purpose [speaker change] speak on the amendment [speaker change] ladies and gentlemen, for the gentlemen debate is a amendment ?? as we temporarily displace ?? ?? after this ?? is disposed of we will be taking up ?? the gentlemen right now has a debate amendment [speaker change] just rearrange what representative ?? has to say ?? we would just appreciate the opportunity to pursue this endeavor and we will appreciate your support thank you [speaker change] the question before the house is the passage of the amendment ?? ?? all in favor

...The Clerk will now open the vote. The Clerk will now receive the vote. 101 having voted for affirmative; 14 in the negative. The amendment passes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Turner...we will be taking up Representative Turner's amendment next. After that, Representative Mobley, your amendment ALA or ALL 62 will be taken up. Representative Turner's recognized to send forth ALG 35. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ? amendment ALG dash 35 Representative Turner moves to amend the bill on page 255 lines 22 and 23 by ? repeating his lines the following the new section to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Members, this is a very important amendment and I appreciate your support. We're taking a very small slice of the budget and putting it in with the arts council allowing them to continue their efforts in supporting economic development across the state and preserving our arts in the museum of history and other areas that they're responsible for. I appreciate your support and thank you so much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I would hope you would vote against this amendment. We've had to increase funding to the department of revenue to give them a couple of positions so that they could start working on the back logs that they have over there and taking one hundred and eighty thousand dollars from them at this point to support the arts council is a...I do not believe is a wise move. I've done everything I can to alleviate the reductions that were in the arts counsel and I would hope you would support the committee's position that was voted out and vote against this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker and thank you Representative Turner. I certainly feel the pain as all of us do but I do understand the value of our local arts councils and while the amendment is not restore the funding they do need, it does help in some small way and we cannot discount the economic engines that arts councils serve in our communities. You may not think of that when you think of arts councils but it adds a lot of cultural diversity, a lot of cultural education in our communities and I do urge that you support the amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Carney, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House if you look at the budget for the cultural resources, we've taken a big hit, a big cut there. A part of when we fund cultural resources we are also sourcing our grants program and these are the Grass Roots grants. Every county, every county in this state gets a cut of those Grass Roots grants. We have funded tremendous amounts of money to our symphony, which is an amazing entity for our state. We have funded our art museum, which is a big asset to this state but we sort of taken a chunk away from cultural resources. A small amount of money that will leverage a large amount of dollars going forward across this state. I urge your support on this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Just to speak briefly on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would hope that you would support the amendment. As it's been said, the arts are an economic boost for our communities. For every community, every city, every town. Every county in North Carolina benefits and you've got to think about while this...these funds are requested for the administration, it takes the people to administer the programs and as it's been said they've been cut extensively and they're going to need that assistance and support. So I would ask for your support for the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbett, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. If those of y’all were here last year you may remember we addressed this also last year with both the arts councils and the historic places and Representative Cleveland in his wisdom, he works hard. I was in his committee last year as some of the rest of us were, and he works hard and does a fantastic job and sometimes you come down to the end of the road and that's all you can do. All we're asking is just for a minor shift. I trust you would support it because this isn't something that goes to some studio in some big uptown something you'll never hear from. This is what goes to our guys in the communities. In Gaston County in went to support a facility there in Gastonia...

That's helped revitalize the downtown area. I trust that each of y'all would support it. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask a question of one of the subcommittee chairs, I guess Representative Cleveland. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, in my chiodhood I was a government funded artist. I thought it was great. But revenue, I would hope that every dollar that we give to revenue would return a lot of money to us because that's the only purpose of having a department of revenue. Has anybody cost, gotten a fiscal memorandum or anything on this amendment to tell us how much less revenue we would bring in, if we didn't appropriate that money to the department of revenue? Because it's revenue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm not aware of any fiscal note on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative John Bell, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Representative Cleveland a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, it is to my knowledge in this subcommittee, we did everything we could to fund a grassroots part of the arts council that was a major emphasis and then once that was funded, the approach was, was to for the administration and this amendment would just solely address the administration needs, not the grassroots needs that provides the program. Is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's true. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Horn, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak briefly on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I couldn't pass up a chance to quote Winston Churchill. And amazingly, you may be a little amazed about this. Now I'm not, nor was Winston Churchill particularly soft-hearted guy. Well maybe I am and probably he was too, but during the height of World War II, Churchill appropriated money for the arts, and he said what the heck are you doing? We're fighting on every front. And he said that's what we're fighting for. I urge you to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, this amendment does not go to the grassroots arts, period. It does not. The money does not go there. When this budget came to my committee, there was somewhere around a million dollar or a little over cut in the grassroots art program. I managed to get that reduction down to about 280 thousand dollars in that area, for both years. I had other areas that I had a look at. I kept the reduction to the grassroots art program to the minimum that I could, with the money we had to work with. This reduction, or this increase, is in the administration. I gave the department of cultural resources the ability to spread half of their reduction in the administration across their entire department. I did not feel that this is necessary to give them money back in the administration of the program. They have the ability to negate any problems in the program at this point, and I would hope you would oppose this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baumgartner, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, thank you Mr. Speaker. Churchill did spend money on art during the war, and as soon as the war was over, he was voted out of office. [LAUGHTER] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Horn, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask the gentleman for a question about. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baumgartner, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Could you please tell me what election he lost in that he was voted out of office? Because theirs is a parliamentary system and the prime minister is actually head of the party. He didn't lose any election. He was re-elected. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair

I’m just not quite sure if that was a question or not Representative Bumgardner. I think it may have been one of the first rhetorical questions asked since I’ve been Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Maybe I should say, “He wasn’t voted out, he was tossed under the bus and summarily dismissed.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, point of Parliamentary inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative William Brawley may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Could we please run from this issue as quickly as we can? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair takes the point very well. Representative Stam please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For lack of a fiscal memorandum on its effect, I asked the guy who would write the fiscal memorandum. Representative Cleveland is correct, if you pass this amendment what won’t happen is dealing with backlog of about 200 in personal income disputed audits that have been open an average of 228 days. In other words, a core government function is not going to happen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbett, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, I used to work a little bit in the summertime when I was a little bitty, if I ever was a little bitty up at my grandparents’ farm and we used to clean out stalls. And in reference to Representative Stam’s statement, I could have never piled it that high. But what we’re attempting to do very simply is, the question was put whether you get return on investment. I would wager, if we can do that on the floor of the House a box of Krispy Kreme doughnuts with Representative Stam… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] …that return on investment would be higher… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think we should stay on the amendment. We’re getting carried away with various and sundry other things. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will keep his point on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Vote green. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brody, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want everybody to consider this. Representative Stam did give you statistics and it showed that these cases have been there for a long time. Now adding one auditor is not going to solve the problem. There’s a problem in the Department of Revenue if these cases go on for that long, so I don’t think they’re going to miss one auditor. I think they need to spend time on the amendment… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, we’re still on the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will suspend. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has suspended. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Pages, it is just past five o’clock, which signifies the end of your work day. If for some strange reason you’d like to stick around, you’d be more than welcome to. But otherwise you’re dismissed for the remainder of the day. Thank you for your work today. Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I appreciate what the author of the amendment is attempting to do. OK? We appreciate that. However, I would turn your attention to the actual words of the amendment itself. What does the amendment do? And if you will look on line nine of the amendment it says, “Each year of the fiscal biennium to restore funding for administration of the North Carolina Arts Council.” Well, a logical question is, “How much funding do they have in the budget at this point in time?” It is $1 million. It is $1 million to administer… [SPEAKER CHANGES] A million three. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A million three, to administer a little over $6 million in grants. You’ve got around 26 people to administer $6 million in grants and you ought to think about that. This money is purely administrative money. If you restore it, it simply means there are one or two more people working at the Arts Council. It doesn’t mean that one nickel more goes to anybody’s festival or art show or anything else anywhere in this state. This is purely a matter of how many people does it take to administer $6 million worth of grants. The subcommittee determined that 26 was more than enough. I ask you to vote, “No,” on the amendment.

essential purpose money man lays right has made him him a second that this dilemma. it's a number is that a lot of the money that that is the Stout to the counties to write a grant program, you got to have those administrators that are doing all the research program market. apply for grant are a few ever been in charge and a grant and given that money out. that's what a lot about Haaretz funding outside guys from the department out across the sky so you have to have these people that were cut drastically, so we're just trying to put a little piece back in my hair is part of the whole stainless fuss that in administering the nineties added cultural resources onto the program 's class this ask your support [SPEAKER CHANGES] literature was that your purpose become the amendment laser designate him in a desert into administration money does it benefit the whole state. [SPEAKER CHANGES] it's not just for for administering grants and videos for economic development. even Secretary decorous has expressed the parts need to be included in what she's doing in her efforts and think about the tourism of that comes to North Carolina because the bit of the arts program Serge to support the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] . the question before the House revenue dollar. major purpose this big route like to request a physical one. the produced on this amendment, ladies and gentlemen, it is within the eight years of authority within the roles to request the fiscal note the. the amendment is not as a result that out of order in the systematic campaign brought it to the appropriations chair. we will take the but for now it's temporarily displaced Rosetta model your amendment is next after that Rosen of Stearns, your amendment, a young age as thirty will be taken up in Zimbabwe is recognized, sent forth a LL– sixty two are great amendment and DLL– seeking to register new populism in the bill as amended by amendment twelve on page two four six, line thirty two and thirty three by deleting the ladies recognized that human. thank you, [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker, I'm not going to spend a long time talking about this amendment basically what this amendment does is to negate those things that have been done to the district. six A and six B in the budget is to bring it back to where it is currently and that is for the districts to be split for judges cannot handle four counties effectively and with accountability. when you think about them having to do district court with this dispositions traffic victim fell in the district DWR civil District Court Family Court juvenile delinquency DSS abuse, neglect and dependency. domestic violence protective orders, child support, civil commitment hearings. this legislation doubles the population served by the district, but almost half the amount of judges therefore, Jeff, do you suppose the handmade one giant serving as the chief District Judge, devoting five twenty five percent of his time. he was a heard time on administrative tasks that is not long for the District courts will implode backlogs, increases, increasing case load cases will not be a breach resulting in delay in justice and collection of files fees as well. all supply cases would not be reached consequently not be collected and custodial parents will remain on public assistance for longer than this piece of legislation seemingly with secret

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Ladies and gentlemen of the house, we have done a remarkable job of going through the amendments today. We have... the chair's in possession of four amendments. There's a fifth one pending the status of the fiscal note for the Turner amendment. The chair would propose... we're moving pretty quickly, the chair expects we may be able to get out of here before seven or seven thirty. If that is the case, the chair has polled several people who think if we get out that early, they'd prefer just to come back in the morning rather than at midnight. So unless I can be convinced otherwise, that will be the decision of the chair. What I though we would do is perhaps provide everyone with a five or ten minute break before we dispose of the last four amendments then move to the debate on the bill. We will be in recess until 5:25. [speaker changes] Mr. Speaker [speaker changes] Representative Lucas please state your purpose. [speaker changes] Speaker I was in the chamber for the last vote, I'd like to be recorded for voting 'no'. [speaker changes] The gentleman records voting 'no' on the motion to table. We'll be in recess until 5:25.