[BLANK_AUDIO] Check, check Senate Finance. [BLANK_AUDIO] [SOUND] Kneel/g come to order [SOUND]. Good afternoon Welcome all to one of the last if not the last Senate Finance Committee meetings of finance depending if you are from South border. Where are from Charlie? >> [CROSSTALK] Today we have Jim Hamilton Francis Patterson and Matt [INAUDIBLE] Welcome and thank you. We have every page that can be put on one page here today. And so, welcome to all of you. Carla [INAUDIBLE] I believe, something close to that. From Charlotte, Jake White Cameron Ford from Carrey, Thomas Moore, [INAUDIBLE] Thomas Moore. Sanhir Zalabia, Cameron Anderson, Lauren Grayson. Hunter Best was here and decided to leave, scratched himself out. Andrew Weatherman, Ally Turnage and Ron Davis. Welcome to you all. I hope you enjoyed your week. And that you learnt a lot. And that you send this home. So, we have one bill today. House Bill 1126. Red light cameras. The City of Greenville. Representative Martin is going to present Representative Martin, welcome to finance. >> Thank you Mr. Chair and thank you members of the Finance Committee for having me. This is a simple local bill for Pitt County's, the City of Greenville. It has full support of the delegation in the House and the Senate. It is modeled identical A local bill that was passed last session for Fayetteville when we were having some real safety issues in Greenville with traffic and they have asked that we have this red light camera situation instituted in order to improve safety. They've been getting good results in Fayetteville and I ask for your support. I do welcome, we have Police Chief Mark Holtman from From Greenville and the City Manager David Hallock, if there are questions, I'm happy to take- >> Mr.Chair >> Welcome Senator Don Davis, I would like to move for a favorable. I am very familiar with this.It's in our area,city supported it. The school board, the county commissioners and I think we're the only proper force to support it today Today and thank you Representative Burton for bringing it forward. >> Thank you. We have a motion for a favorable report from Senator Davis. Any discussion or debate? >> Senator Hise. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman, for a comment. This is where I miss Senator Jenkins that was for coming here Annually we would run the bill to eliminate the red light cameras in the state. I think that as well as Senator Don East when he was here, always joined us on that. We've not quite gotten there yet. I guess expand it to another until we eliminate it. I will tell you the history of red light cameras and the evidence is they do not They do not improve save, Steve be prepared for your number of accidents to increase within your community.There [UNKNOWN] more rear end accidents particularly through installations than other than you had previously. Thanks for coming in and I tend to see red light [INAUDIBLE] there's nothing more than a way to raise revenue for communities and not for public Safety. I'll be voting against it but have fun on your local bill until the time that we can get the support to eliminate these all across the state. I just wanna say that t make you aware, be careful the investment you're making now because when we do eliminate them, we don't plan to be reimbursing communities for that. Thank you Senator Hise. Senator Tarte >> [NOISE] Mr. Walddell [INAUDIBLE] order please. >> Mr. Chair one of the things that would be helpful on those clarification, I know in Charlotte had them and took them out was because they was an issue of all the funds going to education I believe.The curious where the funds would go here Go here and the problem was and they had no way to fan the operation [LAUGH] of the lie so those would be the clarification.We can understand how they'll beat the operational be funded and then where the funds actually get reimbursed too. >> You may answer. >> Thank you Mr. Chair, thank you for the question. Yes it is difficult Difficult to finance the operation which is why they're pretty uncommon [UNKNOWN] and what was done creatively last year session for Fayetteville was to allow them to enter into agreement to fund the operation and then all of the proceeds beyond the cost do go to Education,So it's funding education but there's an allowance in their to enter into a contract that covers The cost and then everything else to education. >> Thank you Senator Waddell.
>> That was similar to my question ,but I still will ask this question because between 1992 to 2000 Charlotte paid defenders 6.4 million When we think about the floats that were generated and 4.6 million went to the city and there was a split between the schools/g and the safety programs. So my question is, do you have a way of monitoring those funds so that you see that you getting your fair share and so is advantageous for the This. >> I'm not sure I have the details to get specific on that. That it allows the city to enter a contract to cover it. And So I think they'll be regular monitoring of that and again the goal really is more safety and it will be evaluated if it doesn't Doesn't turn out to be that way we can make changes and then any extra things to get education but it was not entered into as a way to raise funds for education.It was entered into more as trying to improve safety and then any funds do got to education. >> Thank you Senator Tillman. >> Thank you Mr.Chairman I don't believe you have You have the contract with you I would like to. I guess the city needs to examine this closely, however the split is going to be. Most people don't find it even profitable anymore to do these red lights, especially with the way the split was. And if you're sure this is gonna be a good deal Money-wise, you could end up having a bad deal here because there will be costs associated whether it does any good safety-wise or not. I think that's always in question. It's your local bill and I'm gonna vote for it but I don't think you're gonna gain what you think you're gonna gain with it. It hadn't been the history in a high point. I can tell you that. And you'll have a one light, I believe. A one light that will apply as many lights. >> Mr. Chairman, if possible I'd like to call on the folks from the community. There's a chief or city council member. >> Could we find out if this is just a one stop light deal or if it's gonna be multiple stop lights? You got your chief back there. If that's okay Mr. Chairman it's going through you. >> I'm thinking about it. You don't have too. >> [LAUGH] >> It's okay. >> [LAUGH] >> Is your mic on sir? >> Yes sir. >> Okay, thank you. Identify yourself- >> Thank you Mr. Chairman Chief Markholds from with the Greenville Police Department. The answer is there five different intersections that we'll be looking at. A total of 10 cameras. So as you look at approaching intersection there're four ways to approach typical winner section. We'll be covering two of those angles with the cameras. The angles that are causing the most collisions. So a total of five intersections that we're looking to do. Yes sir. >> Thank you very much, you stay stay right there, there may be more. Don't leave. Senator Pate. >> Thank you Mr. Chair I was just going to remind the chair that we did have some people from Greenville who are here to answer these questions and among them Mr. Helleck who is the City Attorney and a question was asked a while back about what the need is as I understand it. And I believe there might be some statistics as to what the intersections might be like and what the procedures might be and also are there dangerous places? What is the lethality if that's a word, of these collisions and these intersections? >> Thank you. Let's have someone answer that if you would like to then. >> I made that word up but- >>[LAUGH] >> Mr. Holleck is the City Attorney of Greenville. If he can decipher my words. He can he can answer the questions. >> As far as the accidents has been mentioned, what the red light tries to prevent is the rear end, which is the more dangerous. There are some more increase in T-bone accidents but it is an improvement in safety and that is what we're attempting to address here and Greenville does have a history of a lot of accidents. We are high in the listing in the state from the information from the department of transportation. We have attempted to do it by normal police enforcement but that takes a lot of officers involved but we do have a big history of red light running in Greenville and we do want to address that. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Senator Bryant. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman and the police chief almost answered my question. We were looking at He said we looked at five intersections and we're only putting up ten cameras which means we're only catching them half way.My question.
Are these people trying to get out of Greenville that are running red lights? >>Yeah. >>[LAUGH] >> Thank you.ladies and gentlemen of the committee I think we have heard enough Enough discussion on this local bill to make an informed decision. And upon the motion by Senator Don Davis, we'll now vote. All those in favor of the motion please say aye >> Aye. >> Those opposed no >> No. >> Bill passes.Thank you very much .Representative And we look forward to seeing you again.Ladies and gentlemen there's no other item to come before the committee,we are adjourned.