[BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Hello everyone. Thank you all for coming today and for taking the time to listen to all of us. We have a couple of City Officials as well as some Law Enforcement supporting in the back here to come out against House Bill 100, which is the immigration compliance of local municipalities. So today we're excited to be having a great group of folks here who will be talking a little bit about their experiences and why they're against House Bill 100 and specifically how it hurts more than just the immigrant community here in North Carolina. So I'll go ahead and just briefly introduce the folks that will have been speaking. So first will be having Representative Susan Fisher from Buncombe County, then Senator Van Duyn from Buncombe County as well, we'll have a little bit of an overview of the Bill and some of the background by Kate Walmadiders/g from North Carolina Justice Center. The Carrboro Mayor, Lydia Lavelle is here, we're grateful that the police chief of Carrboro as well is in the back here and supporting us. Thank you very much for coming today. We'll have Sarah Rally from Faith Action International House speaking about the Faith Action ID component of the bill, and we'll have Greensboro's City Council member who hopefully will be able to sort that out. And then Dr. Jennifer Copeland from North Carolina Council of Churches will be speaking and closing us out. So thank you all for coming and we'll take questions at the end, thank you. >> Good morning and thank you all for being here today. I'm Representative Susan Fisher from District 114, which is a portion of Buncombe County. I'm here with my colleague from the Senate, Senator Terry Van Duyn. I'm and I want to just say welcome to all of the people who came
to speak out regarding house bill 318. This bill keeps, sort of, rearing its head. We knew that it was bad when it passed the first time last session but now we know that with the changes that have been proposed, it is just going to get worse. And I think that you will hear a lot from the folks who are here, about the reasons why this puts communities in danger. It makes the work of law enforcement that much difficult and it also has penalties built in that are going to be very detrimental to cities and counties. Cities and counties across the state. So, tune in, I hope that you will get some good information about this and with that I will turn it back to my colleague from the Senate Senator Terry Van Duyn. >> [COUGH] I'm here to speak out about HP 100 because I care about public safety. And SB 100 takes away a vital tool for law enforcement officers. They need to be able to identify all the people who may come in to contact with. And currently law enforcement officers are able to use local or organisational ideas to determine a person's identity or residency. This bill ends that practice and takes away an important tool for law enforcement. A tool that was originally preserved in SB 318 at the behest of law enforcement. Law enforcement officers can do their jobs more effectively when they have the ability to identify those they come in contact with. Including witnesses, suspects and the victims of crime we want this people to be able to come forward. The community and law enforcement would have work together in Greensboro and other localities in support of Common sense local identification program which assist police in preventing and solving crimes. SB 100 needlessly halts this local efforts and makes our communities less safe. That's the important issue here. However, SB 100 also crates a costly and unnecessary framework for law enforcement and in so doing like I said makes all our communities less safe. It creates far reaching duties and pro ambitions on local law enforcement and governments and enormous complain division a private individual who does not understand the responsibilities of various agencies can make baseless complains of the attorney general will be required to investigate wasting time and resources. The attorney general not a court will decide whether a or city counties funding can be taken away with no legal recourse. A city or county can lose significant funds supporting critical services such as schools and roads. Why would we want punish over children over an issue like this. And finally taking away law enforcement's ability to identify people in front of them takes away a vital tool to help solve and prevent crime. Immigration law is complex and very few people understand it well. Rather than doubling done on HB 318 by adding confusing and unworkable enforcement provisions, HB 318 to be repealed thank you. >> Thank you to the representatives who've come here to speak out through this bill today, my name is My name is Kate Woma Didas/g. I'm an attorney with the North Carolina Justice Center here in Raleigh and we do oppose HB 100. I'm just here to give a quick summary of the Bill for you all so you understand exactly what the provisions contain and then we'll let the affected locality Mayor and other folks speak out about their opinions about the Bill. The Bill does three things, the first thing that the Bill does is that it requires local Clerks of Court to keep public records of those who are excused from jury duty for citizenship reasons including their addresses. The records of other people who are excused from jury duty for other reasons are not kept as public records. So we believe this is an invasion of privacy and unnecessary. Further more the Bill as others as our two representatives have all ready spoken out about takes away the right of local law enforcement to use the the local community and organizational ID. That was a compromise brokered in last years HB 318 that allowed
law enforcement continue to use these organizational ID's as a tool as on way to understand who the person is in front of them. We could have a person who is missing, a person who is disoriented, a person who is a suspect of a crime and law enforcement needs every tool in its tool book to figure out who this person is. This bill takes that right of law enforcement away. Lastly, the bill creates very confusing and unworkable enforcement provisions. The first provision gives the sole discretion to the attorney general's office to investigate anonymous complaints that a city or county is violating, basically HB 318, last year's bill. And the attorney general can make a decision, on his or her own, regarding Parting the cities actions and whether they violate HB 318 that provision has no court overview, the Attorney General would be making that decision and the automatic result of the Attorney General's decision would be a loss of funding for schools and roads to the local municipality. I can tell you as an Attorney that the interpretation of HB 318 is incredibly difficult. The bill was not clear, and the intersection between Federal law, State law and local authority is not clear. And so you could have the Attorney General making a decision to take away funding for a city or a county based on his or her interpretation of the bill with no oversight by a court. HB 100 also loosely includes an appeal process except for the fact that the appeal process in not outlined, so there is no clear mechanism or route for that appeal to happen It's not clear where that appeal would be lodged or who would hear it and furthermore, the bill says that the cities and counties only have a right to appeal if so afforded by the North Carolina or US Constitution. And it is not at all clear that they have that right. So appeal process appears to be either completely illusory or at best, very unclear. So if the city or county were to lose their funding, it's very uncertain whether they would have any right to appeal that decision. Finally, the complaints that're made under this provision are anonymous, confidential, not subject to public records request and they do not need to be notarized. So anybody with a phone could call and make a complaint that they believe the city is not complying with the law. The Attorney General's investigation has no processes or procedures laid out, there's no hearing for the city or county to formally contest or provide evidence to the Attorney General The city or county to formally contest or provide evidence to the Attorney General. There's simply no process laid out. It would be a black box investigation by the Attorney General and when he or she decides that the city or county has violated the law, his ruling would be essentially final. So we're concerned about this bill for the same reasons that Senator Van Duyn and Representative Susan Fisher outlined. We believe this takes away tools for law enforcement. We believe the Attorney General investigation process is undemocratic and does not allow transparency in terms of when the funding will be taken away from these cities and counties. And I will turn this over to my other colleagues here to speak against the bill Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Good day friends. Buenos Dias amigos, amigas. I am here today. My name is Lydia Lavelle. I'm the mayor Carrboro and I'm here today to speak briefly about HB 100. Although I could speak to much of this bill today I am speaking specifically to the part of the bill that would end our community's faith ID program. And I wanna talk about actually my personal experience with this program and I wanna acknowledge also that I'm happy to be here with our Police Chief Walter Horton. And I wanna make it really clear that for many of us this is very political but for our law enforcement it's all about safety of our communities, it's not political for them. It's about their job and doing what they are sworn to do. Many are unaware that Carrborro's immigrant community is about 18% of our population close to 4,000 residents of our town, members who are all an integral part of our community. Now this is not the time to go into the immigration reform that we need at the federal level, right? To address the issues that have been created These past two decades that have led us to this place where we are today in the United States,
but I think it's fair to say that many if not most of our immigrant community look forward to the day when they can live more freely and openly in their community, something I know a little bit about as their gay Mayor. Someday we will move forward with common sense approaches to address this problem such as those proposed by our president to allow limited visas for those currently in our country without visas expanding these examples, for example for non-citizens who came to the country as children or for undocumented citizens who came to the country as children or for undocumented parents of citizens and lawful residents, but in the absence of immigration reform we at the local level are faced with the reality that we have lots of residents, lots of these residents in North Carolina. Many of whom are productive, most of whom are productive members of our society, for example Example, those who provide labor for much of our agricultural industry. And it serves all of us, our law enforcement officers as well as these community members, when we have a way of identifying these community members. This program is simply a win win for all and I believe that is why it was included in the law that was passed last fall by the General Assembly. Our legislature listened to this at the very end and heard from that time from law enforcement, from the Sheriff's Association, from the Chief of Police Association and other community members that this was a good addition to the bill. And therefore included this form of ID as part of the bill. Now, the community members who get these faith ID's. They are told and they are absolutely clear that this does not provide them with driving privileges or some other type of official status. They understand these ID's serve as a way to identify them for law enforcement and others in the community to identify themselves as residents. And I wanna make clear too we also talk about this certain group of folks but it aids our law enforcement with everyone in the community with you and old and people that don't have a drivers' license and all kinds of folks. So it goes beyond really just this issue. And sometimes this form of identification can really mean the difference between life and death. Now, I've had folks criticize the Faith ID Program, saying they do not have proper safeguards and it was run haphazardly. So let me tell you about my experience on Saturday, three days ago that's when I went to get my own faith ID. At an ID drive. And we've helped several of these ID drives in our community. I believe this was the fourth one. And we've had almost a thousand people, I think, take place so far. And so I joined 100 members of our community this past Saturday at St. Thomas More Catholic Church and persons who are seeking a Faith ID are required to do four things. First, show original proof of identification. Now, so for me, I could use my drivers' license. For others, this meant showing a passport, showing a national ID card, showing a Matriculate Consular or a drivers' license for another state. The second requirement is to prove one's current address with some type of a document that has a date from the last three months. So I showed my utility bill from Duke Energy. And other ways to show this could've been a bank statement, a lease agreement, a medical record, something like this. A third requirement is to pay $10 in cash. And then a fourth is to attend an orientation and a dialogue with members of law enforcement. And so when I was there, I was really extremely pleased to see Sheriff of our county, the Police Chief of Chapel Hill, one of our Police captains from Carrboro. Our chief has vetted all the other ones who wasn't able to be there Saturday, as well as several deputy Sheriffs and officers at the front of the room having this dialogue with community members. And so as I went from one area to first give my information, then to the next area to pay my fee, then around the corner to get my picture taken, the process was as was as orderly as one could imagine, in fact perhaps even more orderly than getting a drivers license at your local DMV. And so if there were any questions also about the reliability of the documents that were presented at this start of the process, there's a mechanism in place, a procedure to verify or not these documents So most importantly though I think out of this whole process I witnessed first hand the interaction between this largely invisible sector of our society and our law enforcement officials. And the dignity that came with being recognized, when I and other officials told them that we e valued each and every one of the people there as integral members of our community and that we wanted to keep them safe.
And in closing, as I told the community on Saturday, as mayor of the town of Carrboro, as the person elected by the citizens and residents of Carrboro I am committed to providing for the health safety and welfare of all of the residence of the town and when my police chief and all my committee members tell me does this program help us achieve this goal I wanna listen to them and I truly hope that members of our North Carolina house of Representatives will listen to them also and keep this ID program in place thank you. >> And we're gonna have a Greens velocity council member also we'll be calling in, hi are you [INAUDIBLE] >> Yes I am. >> Hi, you even go there and provide your comments and with this hopefully just two or three minutes if that's okay. >> Sure. >> Thank you [BLANK_AUDIO] Whenever you'd like to start it would be great. >> Okay I'm ready, I do wanna say this is [INAUDIBLE] at large and when the fake ID started it's three years ago I believe that we can certainly track and have been able to track how much [INAUDIBLE] law enforcement in green zones specifically and help me to solve major crimes. It's not only is for [INAUDIBLE] population that Population roaming from an elderly individuals as well as many of our homeless veterans have been existed from this program. This ID helps provide a greater sense of dignity and trust and has proven absolutely essentially to law enforcement to those sacred communities after just the first year our green [INAUDIBLE] police department publicly announced that they have received much greater self [INAUDIBLE] of ID cards reporting resolving serious crimes something that our police chief association is fully in support of, I find it difficult to believe that our legislatures are trying to do away with something that help[s make all of our community to become much safer. It's been [INAUDIBLE] it's very very honorable to state that there are so many cities and counties and even And even those we across the nation who are trying to model their program very much like the Faith Action ID. Cincinnati, Ohio just constituted a model version of the Faith Action ID. The mayor's office in Houston, Texas has asked for information on trying to institute the Faith Action ID or something similar thereof and [INAUDIBLE]. How can we ignore something that is making communities safer? Just in North Carolina, Guilford, Alamance, Forsyth, Randolph, Moore, Montgomery, Orange, Durham County and Mecklenburg Counties and well over a dozen cities in the region have embraced what the Faith Action ID is doing for our community. So I plead with our Legislators, please if you don't have the information about the Faith Action ID please pick out one of us who does. We have email, we have calls, we have This information to all of our Legislators but in hearing the debate yesterday on the floor of the Senate, I realized that their are so many who are not understanding what the Faith Action ID does for our community. Let us help our own community by continuing with the Faith Action ID or something similar of course that can help make our community safer. Thank you so much and I do plead with our Legislators please listen to your community. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, you're welcome to stay on the line if you'd like. Next we'll have Sarah Raleigh from Faith Action. >> Hi everyone. Thank you so much for being here, Press, Chief Walter Horton, Mayor Lavelle, Representative Fisher and Senator Van Duyn. My name is Sarah Railey, I'm the Immigrant Assistant Center Manager, Faith Action. Well HB 100 affects More than just one person or population. I've seen first hand how incredibly impactful/g the Faith Action ID has been in creating a safer more inclusive and united communities.
Given some of the misinformation and fear that the supporters of HB 100 have been sharing about the program, it's important that you hear the real story of this program. I'm gonna try and keep this brief, a lot of it has already been said by Mary Kate and others but there a few points that I wanna make. Three years ago the Faith Action ID program launched in Greensboro in partnership with the Greensboro Police Department in the city of Greensboro with the goal of building greater understanding, trust and cooperation between law enforcement and our diverse community. The ID provides law enforcement as well as some private health centers, schools, social service agencies, cultural and arts organizations and businesses a tool to better identify, serve and protect those who may have limited access to government issued forms of ID. As noted During all FaithAction ID drive orientations, it is not a government-issued ID and is not a license to drive. Based on its outstanding reputation, the program have expanded and received the support of law enforcement and other private sectors in well over a dozen cities and nine counties in North Carolina. Gilford, Alamance, Forsyth, Randolph, Moore, Montgomery, Orange, Durham and Mecklenburg counties. In fact, the program has become so helpful to the health sector that three major health centers, Wake Forest Baptist Medical, Novant Health, and Moses Cone Health recently announced their formal support of the program. And as Mary Kate, the council woman in Greensboro mentioned, the mayors office in Cincinnati Ohio recently held a formal press conference announcing their plans for non profit driven ID program based on the FaithAction ID model. Interested participants must Come to a monthly FaithAction ID drive often held at churches where they will go through a mandatory orientation clearly explaining what the ID is and what it is not. And sign a contract stating they understand the benefits and limitations of the program. And are providing truthful information to receive the ID card. They then engage In an incredibly powerful dialogue with law enforcement addressing issues such as how to report a crime and what to expect when engaged by an officer. All participants must go through a clear vetting process which has been approved by law enforcement. During this process they must provide an original proof of photo ID, national ID card consular ID, passport or driver's license and proof of address. If there are any questions about the reliability of these documents, is taken to an immigration attorney and law enforcement for verification. Today, over 6,000 individuals have a FaithAction or FaithAction ID network partner ID card. The FaithAction ID program is something our state should be proud of not trying to shut down. We're deeply concerned about HB 100 which seeks to fast track legislation that would stop law enforcement from being able to partner with the FaithAction ID program and penalize any city that accepts the FaithAction ID, or does not comply with any state immigration law by taking away crucial school and road repair funding. HB 100 as mentioned before, would also expand and increase the enforcement of the e verify program and require clerks of courts to report to the NC board of elections anyone who cannot serve jury duty because they may not be US citizens. Finally, the bill would allow any citizen who believes any of these laws are being violated to file a complaint with the North Carolina Attorney General for further investigation. All together this bill represents one of the harshest pieces of immigration legislation in the nation when for us this program has always been about public safety and building bridges between Between law enforcement and our diverse community. If allowed to move forward it will create very serious distress and Xenophobia and ultimately irreparable damage in communities throughout the state. The sponsors of this devastating bill, have made their harsh opinions very clear regarding immigration as well as their disdain for those who who may not have the ability to change their immigration status due to a broken federal immigration system, and consequently have no option for a state issued ID. Even though North Carolina did provide a drivers licence to these individuals a decade ago. They're using dangerous and offensive stereotypes to create fear around immigration. at a time where many of our communities in North Carolina have chosen to welcome our newest neighbors and need their help to create safer communities. If passed this bill will strip law enforcement of their ability to use a trusted ID to positively identify someone. We have heard from dozens of law enforcement professionals who praise the effectiveness and positivity of the of the program. And that it makes them feel safer when they when they have a reliable ID to count on. They consistently make their voice clear at ID drives. This program they say has nothing to do with immigration for us.It
is about public safety. Our job is to serve and protect all residents and we needs everyone's help to create a safer, better city for all of us. Legislators must seek out the wisdom and expertise of all the high ranking officers who rank this program from Greensboro, Burlington, Graham, Elon, Gibsonville,Mebane,Winston Salem, Charlotte, Asheboro ,Robins, Chapel Hill,Carrboro ,Hillsborough and Durham police department as well as Forsyth Moore ,Orange, Montgomery county sheriff's department, while considering the devastating impact HP100 would have on law enforcement and our larger communities. We're confident many of these Legislators will have a much better understanding of the history, logistics and positive impact of a Faith Action ID program if they're willing to have these conversations conversations. In the meantime we will continue to provide our diverse communities with this invaluable tool. An ID card is just a piece of plastic until someone gives it a face and a story and a community gives it value. We're grateful to all the wonderful people of North Carolina who have made this program a success and look forward to working with others in the state interested in building a safer, more inclusive and united community for all. >> We'll now have a committee member [UNKNOWN] and I believe Andrew is going to interpret. >> [FOREIGN] >> Good afternoon my name is Gracada Alonso I'm a member of the committee of we are rally so I think a lot of people already heard about the legal issues. >> [FOREIGN] >> And so I think it's not going to just affect us legally here but also emotionally, psychologically and with other areas. >> [FOREIGN] >> So for 10 years we've been attacked in this state ever since [INAUDIBLE] in the state were restricted. >> [FOREIGN] >> None of this would be happening if we had the right to drivers licence. >> [FOREIGN] >> So this can affect a lot of us way beyond driving like for instance when someone is called up for jury duty. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> If anyone is publicly added as been undocumented this can really harm them in their community. >> [FOREIGN] >> Because someone could come up to a person who Person who their name was publicized and a knock on your door and potentially harm them. >> [FOREIGN] >> So For a long time teachers have asked, why don't the kids parents participate in activities at the schools? >> [FOREIGN] >> And so the reason is because We're always asked for state ID whenever we participate in activities like travelling across the state with our kids and we don't have access to that. [FOREIGN] >> Another thing that's happening with a lot of these kids, these kids are American Citizens is that their health is being affected. >>[FOREIGN] >> The stress that they see their parents are under seeing when police are behind them for instance and they get off. That be detained at any moment?? >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And this went off a lot ever since the 287 police ice request program was implemented in the state. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And a lot of these kids have ADHD attention deficit disorders and they need special medicine that they need to get from pharmacies.
And a lot of the parents can't actually get them without an ID. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And that's another thing that's really affecting us with this issue of not being able to get a state ID is if you have a disease or some kind of chronic illness that not being able to get your medication. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> So a lot of people think, oh, if they just play by the rules, we just play by the pool, just take a lot of people and legislate yourself yesterday, play by the rules, nothing will happen to you. [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And so they should really be researching what is gonna happen to a lot of people here. What kind of access do we already have. Health is a human right, it's a basic human right. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And housing is also a human right and not being able to have an ID, sometimes, we're denied access to live in places that are of a better quality because we don't have the ID. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> Just like the African American community as we call it, the black and brown communities here are being over and over again attacked and And segregated. segregated, yeah. >> [FOREIGN] >> And we're really tired of that. We're not a political agenda, we are people, we are human beings. >> [FOREIGN] [FOREIGN] >> And I really want to ask the people who risk saying, oh, it's just about playing by the rules Nothing will happen to you. When I say that you are hypocrites if you are saying that, and then you are not going to mass on Sunday is it okay? >> [FOREIGN] >> And now asking for something for your brothers and sisters. [FOREIGN]. And coming here to the legislator. Doing basically exactly the opposite of that. >> [FOREIGN] >> If you wanted a political agenda then fight for that but not at the cost of our suffering as our community, of our dignity. I'm Jenifer Coplan I'm the executive director of the North Carolina council of churches, so I'm here to preach for you today, will start with the old testament, exodus 22:21, you shall not wrong or press the resident alien for you were alien in the land of Egypt. In other words the scripture is telling us that we all came from somewhere else. Unless you count yourselves in the elite minority of 1.6% of native Americans in North Carolina and since most of us are in the 98.4%, we all need to remember that we are immigrants. And we should never wrong or oppress other immigrants. From Leviticus 24 : 22 you shall have one law for the alien and for the citizen. In other words not separate laws that divide not walls that separate us but one law for all of us. And then we here these words from Jesus. Who clearly differentiates between those who welcome the strangers among them and those who don't. In Matthew 25:35. I was a stranger and you welcomed me, just us you did it to one of the lest of these who are members of my family you did it to me. So Jesus equates welcoming the stranger to welcoming. Jesus himself. What christian would not welcome Jesus, the same one who does not welcome the stranger. Now friends I realize that we are not all Christians here today but, I am so I'm going to talk to you from my a location in that particular tradition. In the Christian tradition, God instructs us over and over again to welcome the stranger, treat the immigrant fairly and make a place for the refugee among us because we were once strangers to
God, immigrants to a new land and refugees from a dangerous past. For our purposes her today. I think the most important instruction we get is the one echos throughout scripture to have the same laws for everyone, whether native or immigrant, whether born or naturalized, whether documented or undocumented, let's have the same laws. When the same laws apply to everyone law enforcement can do their job of protecting the vulnerable, arresting the offenders and assuring the well-being of all. When the same laws apply to everyone, employers can do their job of paying a living wage, offering fair benefits and providing a safe working environment. HB 100 sets up a double standard ad creates a shadow population. In this shadow population we have women fleeing from abusive relationships, we have children afraid to go to school, we have workers forced to accept unfair wages and we are asking an entire group of people who work in our state, who attend our schools and who enrich our lives to remain invisible and silent while still contributing generously to our society. All this because we have a double standard in North Carolina. One standard for those of us who were lucky enough to have ancestors who immigrated to this land when the laws were different and one standard for those who just got here. We were given the tools to succeed, but those tools will now be denied to others, others who have stories that are not so different from the stories of our ancestors are lucky ancestor. Not only this House Bill 100 set up a double standard, but it also requires all of us to report known violations of this double standard. Local communities will lose funding, law enforcement agencies will lose discretion and all of us will lose trust because we will live in the shadow of a law that creates a shadow population. The North Carolina council of churches stands proudly on the side of the immigrant population of North Carolina. House bill 100 is unfaithful to our believes. We will take our accused from scripture we will oppose laws that make complicit in unfaithful behavior we will remain faithful to the God who called us out of places of oppression and gifted us the opportunity to flourish into God's good future. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] Dr. Coupland. We're going to see if my last speaker is on the phone and Belly intentionally chief of police Jeffery Spline/g, are you on the phone? [BLANK_AUDIO] Hello. [BLANK_AUDIO] Hello. >> Chris Blue from Chapel Hill is on the line. >> You can go ahead and speak in a couple of minutes if you like. >> Okay. Thank you very much this Chris Blue. I'm the Police Chief in Chapel Hill. And speak on the opportunity I could be with you today. This past weekend I attend George County sport best ideas and the beginning of 2016 with better interactions over 700 people who saw locally verified. None government ID cards Based ID from, I cant really improve on the important thing that the [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] said today so I simply ask the legislator strongly consider repeal of the ability of local law enforcement to use non government ID to assist and determine. House Bill 100 would prohibit law enforcement from even considering the non-government ID during the course of our duties and in fact would require that any non-government ID must be ignored completely. When we're dealing with a person and in determining who they are, where they live, House Bill 100 would require us to treat any person as having no ID ID at all and whether they have government issued ID. This isn't a part as an issue from law enforcement.The ability to at least consider a non government ID card in the course of our duty just makes sense. Law enforcement, the ones truly on the front line that these community safety issues must deal with many people everyday and may not have a government ID Repeal of the law which allows local law enforcement merely doesn't look at and consider non government ID in the totality of the circumstances we compromise our active law enforcement efforts.So hope our Legislators will consider the input of both the North Carolina Sheriff's association
and the North Carolina association Association of Police Chiefs, neither of which I speak, for which I speak today but those of which have expressed strong support when maintaining stability to consider non-government and locally verified ID cards during the course of our duties. Thank you very much for the opportunity to share those words. >> Thank you. And that wraps up our press conference, thank you all for coming again. There'll be some folks here who are willing to stay and do interviews if you'd like that, but we'll go ahead and take questions if folks have immediate ones. [BLANK_AUDIO]. >> I'm I'm curious about, and either a legislator or maybe mayor Lavelle can see, you got your law background, it strikes me that there's an awful lot of power being seated to the Attorney General and It strikes me as there might be some kind of separation of power issue there, and also just the anonymous report, yesterday they said in debate in the Senate that no individuals would be investigated and anybody I guess could speak to this. How can they conduct an investigation Without looking into somebody's immigration status. [BLANK_AUDIO]. >> Yeah, it's unclear. I do think the investigation element of the bill is aimed at cities and counties and what their practices are overall but There could be a wider way of anonymous complaints that could be made. They could range from this individual person is intelligible to us an ID in which case maybe you would have to investigate that individual, or it could be a broad-based complaint about the city and its Practices, generally speaking. So it's hard to say and because the bill is so unclear and we don't know what the attorney general's investigation would encompass, I think those are fears that some folks have about the bill. >> Would any of those investigative records or any of those things be accessible to >> That's a good question. I don't have a copy of the bill in front of me so I'd have to look that up. I'm not clear.Yeah. >> [LAUGH] I didn't get that review about that after. >> Any other questions? Oh thank you all for coming and And thank you all for coming as well and thinking about the bill today. We'll be here the rest of the day and probably tomorrow and Thursday as well. >> I can use your question, it's right in the bill [LAUGH] Oh the complaint and all other reports and other investigative documents and records of the Attorney General connected to the Investigation not otherwise privileged or confidential under law shall be public records. I'm sorry. The complaint is confidential and not a matter of public record.Everything else connected to the investigation is a matter of public record. >>Thank you [NOISE] [CROSS TALK] [CROSS TALK] [CROSS TALK] [CROSS TALK] [CROSS TALK] [CROSS TALK] [BLANK_AUDIO]
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