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House | August 5, 2015 | Committee Room | Local Government Committee

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Call this meeting the order of local government. I apreciate everybody coming today, let's get this going here introduction to pages Christa Peris Pender County, Chris Rely Johnston County Dru Gilfey County, Vely Shows Cower County and our introduction sergent at arms Warren Hakens [xx] David [xx] and Will Clocker[sp?] will start with house bill 504 without objection would have a PCS before us, Representative Bones.  Thank you Mr Chairman, four years of PCS yes I have Representative McNeil and I, as far as more County [xx] test it is what it is, as far as in the bill, and am looking for hopefully, friend from Cumberland County to make the motion. Representative Floyd [xx] your time Mr Chairman. Go right here. Move of favor will vote for the PCS on favor for original [xx] those of, the finance. Chairman Davis Yes I would like to say that this bill is in compliance with the health's guide lines, through [xx] so it has referral to finance, it will go to that committee and should receive a favorable report due to being in-compliance. You have the motion before you, you asked for representative Rookie. Thank you Chairman Hord, in following up to representative Davis, it was noted that all six sense of this occupancy tax was following the guidelines and I hadn't done my homework and read the bill ahead of time to know that. I'm curious what the 3% had being used for. You're switching it to the guidelines but do you remember what the 3% was used for?  I have, director Commission Bureau but, I'm not going to assume but it's still under the current guidelines, they're operating under it. Right. And I will have [xx] so answer if you. Very briefly I'm interested in what the 3% had been used for, you switching, that is my question to the gentleman. It's a real straight forward answer, 100% tourism promotion. Sir, could you identify yourself for the record? Ah, yes I'm Caleb Miles, I'm the president of the Convention Reserve Bureau in Moore county, thank you. And the answer was that all of it in the past was used for tourism promotion? Yes sir. Thank you very much. Representative Hager. As I read that Moore county is able to use one third of the occupancy tax proceeds for tourism related expenditure, does that mean the money goes directly to Moore County? Or is there some of granting process. If I would refer to Mr. Horne to give a history lesson. I refer to Mr. Dave Horne to give us a history lesson on occupancy tax, as I have gotten the last two weeks. Sure, thank you, thank you Representative Bores, I'm Dave Horne and we represent the North Carolina Travel and Tourism Correlation, we want to thank Representative Bores and Caleb Miles for their cooperation in this, the guidelines allow a third of the proceeds of occupancy taxes to be used for tourism related expenditures and the TDA is in control of how that money is spent. So that's consistent with the guidelines and Moore county is, this bill is in compliance and they've been very cooperative in developing the bill and bringing it into compliance. Mr. Chairman if I could comment? Yes. Moore County taxes stay in Moore County, they do not go to Buncombe or Buncombe does not go to the neighboring county Mr. Chair.   Follow up? Follow up. It's funny you should mention Bancum. So, the TDA then decides how this money is disbursed, it doesn't go directly to Mock County, fix up sidewalks or something like that. Mr. Chair. Representative Floyd. Inquiry Mr. Chair. This is just a standard local policy. There you go, we have passed many of these out of this committee. I don't see any difference in this bill and any other of the ones that we have passed. I concur. Representative Fisher. Thank you Mr. Chairman, part of the issue here is we have the same thing going on in Bancum County and what

we're trying to do is to create a tax so that we can have some of that, a portion of that money go to the city to take care of infrastructure that is used by tourism activities, and so I think that was the reason for the question wanting to know if Moore County was able use any of this money in any sort of free way to do infrastructure-type work separate from the TDA, but it sounds like to me that everything goes to the TDA, and then through some sort of process three cents of it will go toward [xx] OK so tell me again, what are the third-third-third? What are they going to? And I defer to Mr. Horne as far as what the thirds are allowed. Just identify yourself again, and answer that question. Sure. I'm Dave Horne with Smith Anderson Law Firm, we represent the Travel and Tourism Coalition. The bill provides for the use of a third of the money for tourism related expenditures, and that's set out beginning on line 35 of the bill, and continues through line three of page two line 35 page 1 and the tourism development authority makes the decision about what expenditures are designed to increase the use of lodging, meeting facilities, conventional facilities etc. So it's in control of the TDA and it's a local tax and a local members of the TDA make the determination what those tourism related expenditure are, and we fully endorse this Bill alright, the motion is before you from Representative Floyd, any more debate, question all those in favor say aye? Any oppose? In the opinion of the chair the ayes have it regardless of representative Cleveland and it passes the bill passes, house bill, Thank you Mr. Chair thank you committee senate bill 156 Senator Birmingham. Senator Birmingham has, there's an amendment before you. Thank you Mr. Chairman, I think one of your members has an amendment and I don't if you want me to explain the amendment or you, Representative Wardford. Okay, I  have an amendment there and it's pretty straightforward on page two line 41. You can read it, it just places the people that voted with the ones that are registered in the language there. Page two line 41. Any questions on the amendment? All those in favor of the amendment say aye, any opposed, the ayes have it, the amendment passes now on the bill. Thank you Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen in 2014 actually this bill has been before you, before, and it passed the house unanimously, representative Keen Goodman, Randy is and was at the end of the session we just actually didn't have time to hear it at the senate side that's reason that before you there's no new taxes over fees and to my knowledge I know of no one that has any opposition to this bill and I'll be as brief as I can. I don't know what else to tell you other than this has been at the request of the [xx] city council [xx] so with that I'll stop there Mr. Chairman.  Representative Jitra. For a motion. You are right here I will make a motion for a favorable report to Senate Bill 156 as amended unfavorable to the original bill and I don't see referral. Wrote into a new P. C. S As you said And re-referred finance. That too. Yes sir. you heard the motion. All those in favor say aye? Any oppose? It passes, Senate Bill [xx] Thank you Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen of the committee, thank you very much. Senate Bill 159 without objection you have a PCS before you on Senate Bill 159, any objection? Alright Senator Tarte. Thank you Mr. Chair, thank you members.

I don't know if you all recall for those who were here the last session we passed the bill with your help to fix the 2011 property tax revaluation In Mecklenburg county. Today that work has returned over $40 million that were inappropriately taxed to residents and business owners, but due to that process there's a few tweaks that we have to do to enable a couple activities within that bill and that property tax revaluation. The first part of the bill that you're looking at does a couple of things, one is that we have addition taxes that for properties they actually had uptake in value so what this will enable for people who got a tax bill but they didn't anticipate over this 45 year window allows to get them a pay of over a three year time period, for those who actually did not own the property at the time that may be text for those who have received the bill and the mail, what it enables and they pay the bill this allows and enables the counties to refund them back the money and it allows them to go out tax the people who actually own the property at that point and time, and the second activity the last half of this bill we pick the PCS of this bill with 556 which will at all our counties as request as there counties through our region to allow as to stop sending small checks for public acts refunds that are due, so the idea of send 43 cent cheque which cost more than that they won't have to the way the process will work is we set a limit of $15 if you have a $15 or higher refund due that would be automatically mailed to you, if you have a tax refund 1499 or less that monies will  either be applied as credit to your next year tax Bill or you can actually go down to your taxing body and actually ask for a cash refund with that I will entertain  any question and ask for your support. Representative Clevin. Thank you Mr. Chairman for the motion, I favor report on proposed committee substitute for Senate Bill 159 unfavorable to the original and referred to finance. Any further discussion? Representative Lookie. Thank you Mr. Chairman I think this is a little bit complicated and  I know that It's going to financing [xx] but I guess for staff first of all how is it clear that the first part of the bill only affects Mecklenburg County?  I can address that if you like  Arthur one of the lessons because this is tied to the current statute which deals with the 2011 ring the bell, so it actually won't apply to future revaluations even in Mecklenburg and applies to the fixes that we are doing under the 2011 fix. Our references to the statute is that we put [xx] Follow up.  Follow up. You are referring to Senate [xx] 2013-362. Correct. Okay thank you, and my second question.  Follow up. Thank you, you've talked about the over valuation in returning money to citizens and property owners. Explain the under payment. Situation, how that works and how is that paid off and do those who have been under assessed, under assessment is what I meant, how do they pay? Do they get more time [xx]? What they will do they will get the property will get a Bill for the underpayment from the period 2011 to current date, if that amount is over it or less than a $1000, they will be required remit those money within the taxing period, if it's over a 1000, then we've done a set up a situation where they can pay equal monthly installment over 36 months with no entrance, what we want to do, we are people that could be a pretty big burden and so we are trying to get them a little bit of an opportunity not to have that hit all at one time, because this really was the fault of our tax assessors all of us that created this problem, not any fault duty their own. Thank you very much. You have the motion before you from representative of Cleveland, any more discussions, any more questions? All those in favor say aye. Aye Any oppose. The ayes have it. And senate bill 159 passes. Thank you members. This meeting is adjourned.